A plea for mages

Not when things like ancients are resistant to slash, it forces you to use a crush weapon like the hammer.

Yea, so stop trying to make it wow. Don’t remove the identity of the game. Its going in a good direction, and just because you can’t hack it as a mage doesn’t mean its in a bad spot. Mages have the highest consistent damage output with survivability packed balance.

again, stop trying to make i wow.

I dont think so, unlike you I think mages are overtuned. I dont think they need to balance it, but I dont think they need any buffs.

I actually enjoy doing 1vx fights or 1v1’s against decent players, and have no interest in owning noobs. Anyone who owns noobs in fights and thinks big of themselves should just quit the game, since they are on borrowed time. As new patches roll out with increased time gap, the gap will close and people get better.

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Dude you quit the game for 6 months until a few days ago. Prior to that you were constantly on the forums complaining to get mages nerfed, you were the loudest person yelling for VB nerfs.

Why don’t you let the players who have been actively playing the game and understand the ins and outs of the problem recommend the changes instead of coming back and acting like you immediately know the state of the game. Mages 100% do not get into a lot of M10’s because they do such little dps.

Mages have less dps than other classes, this is a fact. This is because AGS listened to the feedback of too many unskilled players and continuously nerfed FS, IG, and VG damage.

You are losing on overall damage because they are either doing AOE damage or doing low damage with more consistency.

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that is purely not the case. I’ve played 3v3 versus a lot of mages, and 90% of the time they have more damage than every single melee. Not just my friends who are mages.

If you play a FS IG with the right perks, you will lay waste to most melee users in a 1v1, and out dps nearly all melee in 3v3.

I will say a bow dex build can beat a FS IG. But melee stands no chance

@2GramDabs You purely have no idea what you are talking about as you have played the game a total of 3 days in 6 months. You still have your same nonsense argument you had in February that is solely based off the scoreboards. You really do have no idea what you are talking about yet you are here arguing like you do, crazy.

Your new crusade is to nerf healers. You made some nonsense post after just coming back to the game that healers need to be nerfed because you can’t beat them in 3v3 without one. All of this is a personal skill problem.

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No one is trying to do that. If you are asking me to stop advocating for putting an end to abusive systems the answer you will get is a hard stop, “Not going to happen cupcakes”.

And what is your excuse for the top mages in the world in wow saying they dont like the classes and they perform poorly? Is it that they cannot hack it either? All of us who have sat at the top of the wow pvp ladder for years expansion after expansion cannot hack it? You can’t be that delusional.

That statement was pointing out that it was a mistake to design the game in this way from the get-go, it was nothing to do with changing it or “making it wow”. I tire of your “i want to pwn the noobs because i have a small epeen and need to feel better about myself” stupidity.

Good joke.

Congrats. Most of us have desires to do something actually competitive rather then sit outside of town all day doing if a then b, which ironically is the wow pvp that you advocate against.

I’ll start tracking to see. The thing you need to consider is mage damage is all aoe. You can “pad” without having “kill potential”. Many of the used mage spells are “pad” potential, not actually “threatening” to people.

I talked about this a few months back where most of the mage spells lack synergy. The best example of it can be found in windchill > storm combinations. Out side of that, the mage class lacks any real synergy in spells and really just chains them off one by one.

LOL i’ve played 82 hours the past two weeks, mainly playing 3v3. To say my experience in 100+ matches is invalid, is completely false and ill-conceived.

Why would playing 3 months ago change how the game plays in its current state?

Why don’t you go play WOW if it is such a better designed game then. The reason this game is remotely popular is because it is a skill based action MMO as opposed to a tab targeting cookie cutter 20 year old formula. Cut the argument from authority BS.

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Okay so runeglass Gems may help mages a little bit. They increase the base damage of specific elements by up to 10% and add an 8% damage DoT when you hit with a weapon. Im not saying this is 100% gonna fix mages by any means but I do think this will help.

Outside of that when you break down mages to their core in the game what do you think makes them so weak? Is it just the damage or is it the lack of spells? Now hear me out but maybe giving a bigger spell to all mage weapons would be a good idea to make them feel more powerful or even giving them an additional spell slot.

Lets use other MMOs for example, mages in most MMOs are the highest DPS classes in game. They also are typically VERY focused on just Raw damage while happily taking the L in defenses. Perhaps also adding more damage to skill trees would help some take fire staff for example, the 20% heal it has for Burnout or whatever simple feels pointless these days and the meteor shower while pretty cool actually doesnt do too much in fights outside of OPR. Which still is pretty minor.

Im just spitballing mainly but I’d like to hear some additional feedback about changes that could be made to help mages get some love cause like I said before, I do think they have a place in the game they are indeed a more lacking playstyle and at the end of the day its Fricking Magic. I think Magic should 100% do more damage than an arrow haha. Also battlemage, I want to see a battlemage playstyle.

So why are you making comments on how mages perform in m10’s? It’s almost as if you don’t know what you are talking about.

The post you made was based off 7 games, you said do yourself :joy:

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actually with the tick damage from ice and fire, you are most likely to get the kill, just due to the frequency of ticks. My mage friends always steal my kills from it, it’s kinda annoying but is what it is… And doing more damage = less enemy health. More damage you do, the closer they are to death. It’s a direct correlation

Because I do M10’s with two mages all the time. I’ve done atleast 5 so far, with no issues

@2GramDabs Show me your arenas win achievement with your name in it and I will admit you are right. You won’t show it though, because it doesn’t exist.

With 82 hours of arena you should easily have 250+ wins.

So you are basing your argument off doing 5 mutations with another mage in a few days against people who actually play the class, have been consistently playing them, speed running them, finding optimal setups. This is laughable at this point my guy.

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Nah 2 of my friends quit as long as me, only 1 kept playing but he mainly does pvp. But weve done m10s to get umbral shards. I’m confused what your argument is. So mage is only bad if you haven’t looked up an optimal set up? Well duh!! Thats why you have the respec option to change your set up to be optimal.

And 82 hours of mostly 3v3. I do some OPR as well, and i’ve been grinding gypsum orbs too. I have no idea what that achievement is or where to find it. Is it in steam?

@2GramDabs My argument is show your arena achievement with your name and 250+ wins if you aren’t lying. You claim this massive expertise that doesn’t exist.

And I don’t win every time. In my 3v3 queue theres tons of BIS healers who have BIS players running with them all the time. Its nearly impossible to win that fight. I have never brought a healer into 3v3 myself because that’s lame.

What I said is still correct, you can slot elemental type damage into melee weapons, and it makes up for damage negation of your base type.

LOL because achievements mean shit…what is this 2007 bragging about gamerscore? I’ve never even wasted my time looking at them before lol

But you want to have a positive boost in higher mutations, not just be at neutral