A quick comparison of levelling up Engineering from 100 to 165 before and after the patch

just use the crafting tier appropriate for your level. even before the patch you could never buy enough flint to level up with gunpowder, because there was not enough flint available.
they fixed abusing lowtier crafts, but the market already regulated itself for this. (0.01 ori was more efficient than 0.4 iron)

before the patch it was cheaper to use starmetal/ori for leveling. but if entering the correct prices on the website is too much work, you shouldn’t try leveling it at all =p nothing has changed. and you have to invest way less coins than leveling before, everyone who is leveling now already has a massive bonus. (in the early days you needed ~450k coins to reach lv200! now we are down to somewhere around 150k)

you probably lose your friends forever :smiley:

To make ori ingots you need iron ingots…

So your whole statement doesn’t really make any sense. @Maunz

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I don’t know why they increased it - the grind was already horrible. Thanks for taking time to put this up so ppl could see the increases. The bad part is that ppl have been telling them how hard that grind is - and they increased it… It is like the GA situation. Everyone is using GA and WH… So they buff GA and nerf other weapons.

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The whole Point of the craft change was to make it.more difficult for people to level to 200 on tier 1 combines.

This seems to have been accomplished

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You have a good point, spamming gunpowder was never the best way to level engineering in terms of gold per exp, people only did it because they could gather the materials themselves. I got from 150 to 200 solely by crafting orichalcum tools and turned a profit in the process - that was fine when there were 4-5 crafters on a server of 4-5k non-concurrent players, I sold the 5-600 tools I crafted in about a week. But now that most servers have dropped to 1-1.5k active non-concurrent players, AND you have a lot more people crafting stuff, AND most people already got their tools, it’s basically impossible for new crafters to sell their stuff at all, I’m not even talking about turning a profit, the demand just isn’t there.

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Yeah. OK. Crafting via spamming low tiers crafts was bad. OK. They changed it. OK. No problem with it.

But they raised XP needed to reach that 200lvl too. So even using high tiers crafts you need to do much much more than before patch. And THIS is really bad. :frowning:

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Players also did it because it was an instant craft so time spent standing at the crafting table was negligible.

I have that too but it took me 250 hours of actively running around and gathering stuff so it’s a lot in my books.

What’s your playtime at this point?

a little over 100 hours. I mean i collect hides and motes a lot while roaming so that adds up, completing the wood town board adds up fast too. The raw materials is a lot but its probably the reagent bottleneck that is going to slow everyone down.

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Damn your each reply makes me cringe more than the last

My bad, I couldn’t let this slide

Why so edgy Johnny
Are we in a fifth grade?

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Let it slide. The guy just got his first job, let him feel grown up and funny for once in his life.

Do you get more XP for crafting higher level items? And does that offset the increased material cost?

Yes to XP, no to offset. All they’ve done is made lower tier crafts give you less XP and increased the XP requirements to get to 200, so to actually have any meaningful progress you simply have to craft higher tier items. Except those require higher tier ingredients which are much rarer and take more time to find. Basically you’ll be farming more, crafting more and getting less XP in return.

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You get more xp but progression is about 15-20% slower and more costly overall.

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Nothin’ personnel kidd :unamused:

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you could also use orichalcum items if you prefer. tools, or spears/hatchets, then you’ll use cheap wood in secondary

просто срубите 35000 деревьев нормально так да?)

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If AGS really wants to stop gold-sellers they should stop making gold purchases look so damn attractive. It gets more and more tempting every “update”.

For now: Just craft ori arrows / bullets… they sell very well and yield a lot of exp. Why is everyone else too stupid for this? xD