Add a Prestige System to Rejuvenate Lower Level Gameplay

[WarMongerian]

I wanted to respond too your (several) points, and felt that doing so in a post with many others posts would just be confusing, so…

@desubot

IMHO. I’m not sure how to feel about this in the context of an MMO

Sure as it is now being able to swing back as a low level would be fun (especially since they did add a bunch of quests and stuff for lower levels that I doubt many people even cared to check out)

I agree, getting a second “bite at the quest apple” is definitely a very good thing, and for many reasons. We all know the AGS team is working hard to make things better, and this kind of thing would be an ideal short term, low (coding needed to implement) cost way of keeping folks happy, while we wait for a better endgame to be released.

@desubot

But in respect to the future. as more updates come out and the gear score cap continues to increase, there will be less and less desire to want to do this and burn a ton of time into regrinding everything.

While that might be true, from what I am reading here, most of the work (leveling up your characters trade skills) would not be reset, so the grind would likely be far less, and far less of a chore than currently.

I wouldn’t want the chore to be as hard as it currently is, because of all the many nerfs that have already come out, just to slow people down, to prevent everyone from having characters that all have level 200 everything, so there would definitely have to be a change in mindset, that getting to 60th character level is NOT the end race, so to speak, but just the first lap around the track in a very long marathon, as it were.

If people were thinking along these lines, then all the nerfs would be correctly seen as not only unneeded, but actually detrimental to continued player (and paying customer) satisfaction, and the game could be quickly reverted back to something like the leveling requirements that were in place at release.

@desubot

There are certainly people (that would do this) but will there be enough to sustain a decent sized population or otherwise get carried by a lv 60 friend which kinda defeats the purpose of doing this.

I cannot speak for anyone else on this question, all I can say it that, if the dang Bots could be eliminated, and folks could revisit the low levels and do low level things, then It could prove quite lucrative to farm things without the prices being undercut because of bots selling things cheap. Block all computers that are used to dupe or bot from playing NW, say a 60 day ban, for a first time offender
and then, for the repeat offender, a 6 month ban, and if that doesn’t stop them, a lifetime ban, forcing the Boter/duper to buy a whole new computer.

Right now, on my 48th level second character’s server, there are 60th level bots running around doing many varied and crazy things, and one of the most offensive is the Bot that keeps killing the odd couple in the WW faction mission area (Susanna the alligator, and the first mate pirate) before I can get a hit in (last time it took me three respawns to get a hit in, so I could complete the quest)!!

As far as ‘getting carried’ by a 60th level friend, I don’t see that the rewards (proposed in this thread) would warrant such a thing, as the whole point would be to be able to revisit low level content, for it’s own sake. What would motiveate a 60th level to waste all that time? And why would someone want them to, if they choose to prestige up?

@desubot

I feel like a better way to do something like this is challenge mode. sort of like pvp flagging that when you go to x y z points of interests it lowers your level and gear score down to the recommended level so you can do stuff again and enjoy it and try new stuff when they release it for lower level players. not sure what kind of reward would be given for such a mode… though alternatively if a challenge mode did happen it could be an excuse to raise the gear score drops off of low level mobs ( a LOT of named items are worthless just because they cant drop at a higher gear score) it also would make those lower level gear that actually look good far more useful if it dropped at your expertise.

it sort of kills a few birds with one stone i think.

In this thread, I’m not going to touch this part. It has merit, and is interesting, but I am just a guest in this thread, and those ideas would take the discussion in a whole other direction.

[Bubax]

A solution could be that once a character reaches lvl 60 a prestige slot opens with shared world storage–that character once it reaches lvl 60 can be kept for an alternate character or absorbed for prestige rank and started over

They could easily do this.

[ZhaoDraco]

I think this kind of system is not good for mmorpg. It is good for ARPG like diablo etc.

Option to level sync is more appropriate like what other games have if people wants to help other people do lower levels stuff with a challenge.

Also a new game+ like what FFXIV have for people who wants to re-experience the main quest storyline. In FFXIV the new game+ basically allows player to repeat the main story quests without any changes to your characters or rewards. It is just an option for people wanting to relive the story quests.

[rgarrett]

ya questing was so fun !!!

[Tardigrade]

[Bubax]

Yea? I see where you’re coming from in a way, but I think making this optional for people who wouldn’t mind utilizing some of the recipes and crafting skills they’ve unlocked would be pretty great. I can craft so many dope T3 and T4 weapons now I’ll never use them…which is a shame! If we can keep our main character and unlock a secondary slot for a prestige alt, I don’t see where the harm would come from. And, if AGS puts decent rewards and incentives in place it could be a pretty cool system that some would enjoy. There’s just not much to do right now after lvl 60 and I think this might address (a little) of that concern for those of us who don’t run 24-7 OPR’s.

[Tardigrade]

the harm comes from it becoming mandatory.
The minute you add a system that people don’t use, the devs find a way to force you into it.
Look at the watermark system, people just bypassed it buying 600 items, now you’re forced into it.

[WarMongerian]

Meaningful and rewarding and fun, an endgame where we get a second character like I proposed in this thread would keep me playing while they fix things, and get better and better options available later on.

An endgame where I essentially get no meaningful character progression, just endlessly grinding gear, over and over and over again, and even replaying StarCraft 2 campaigns seems more rewarding than that!

[WarMongerian]

Here is the core idea I posted in my thread. It doesn’t require any great deal of coding to implement, and would give folks something to do while waiting for AGS to provide us with a real endgame.

1. Let everyone that has run up to 60th level, start a new character, on the same server, and create an additional 1,000 pound shared/transfer storage space for their account, so that items and loot can be easily and securely swapped back and forth between their characters. Have this ‘shared storage’ accessible from any place any of your characters can access their normal storage, probably best implemented by just adding it to the drop down list already in the storage GUI, like the other than current territory storage is right now.

2. In the case that AGS doesn’t come up with something soon for a better endgame, each time a player levels up an additional character to 60th level, allow for the creation of an additional character, on the same server, over and over again. Having the ability to have more than one character on the same server, and helping to equip them by playing your old characters and crafting items for your new characters, is not all that great, but it should be very easy to implement in terms of additional coding, and it may just keep many bored and despairing players from outright leaving NW altogether, and even, dare I say it, get those who have already left, to give it a go once again?

What say you my fellow players who are tired of being stuck at 60th level and nothing rewarding to do…?

[Bubax]

Thanks for contributing WarMongerian, they say great minds think alike! Not sure who posted first, or that it matters, but I love the idea we’re putting out there. I ended up making a character on another world server to play through the lower levels again and am having a ton of fun. A Prestige character we could unlock and play again once reaching 60 on the home server of our main would be such a great thing for the game. I really hope the development team is able to make it happen. I get excited about the future of this game when I read through community ideas for improvement. I think we can make New World a badass game in the future if we keep generating quality suggestions to developers to appear eager to listen to their players

[WarMongerian]

@Bubax

Thanks for contributing WarMongerian, they say great minds think alike! Not sure who posted first, or that it matters, but I love the idea we’re putting out there.

Yep, I enjoyed reading your thread, and look forward to reading more. My own threads don’t ever seem to get much in the way of replies but it is what it is, lol.

@Bubax

I ended up making a character on another world server to play through the lower levels again and am having a ton of fun.

Me too. My second character is currently 52nd level, so she will be entertaining for just 8 more levels before once again I hit the 60th level cap, and then…

@Bubax

A Prestige character we could unlock and play again once reaching 60 on the home server of our main would be such a great thing for the game. I really hope the development team is able to make it happen.

I couldn’t agree with you more. I’d like to list out some ideas, all based upon more and better Prestige characters, that could be developed over time, and would keep me playing as long as I can Prestige up my 60th level character. My initial idea was to get a whole lot more from reaching 60th level (and being able to work up my trade skills again too, but only once we have something extra built into that part of character progression, until then, just keeping the trade skills from prior run throughs seems best), but for that idea to work, there would have to be much work on coding the stuff into the game, and therefor having them available is not something I can see happening quickly.

I would list things in order of how hard they would be to implement, with the easiest first being the most likely to be coded into the game, and the more involved added in later as developer time is able to be tasked to player retention.

Right now, I’d put your idea in between my last idea and my first idea, so something like this:

1. Level 60th character unlocks a second character slot, on the same server as your main, and also a shared storage for transferring items between them. Every time you level a character, you get an additional one. This could probably be done very easily, with little if any developer time required.
2. A 60th level character can restart, and work over the quests again and again, allowing us to do all the quests in the current patch of the game, where we know from recent experience what to do, and thus how to help others when they are first timers. Your idea in this thread, basically. The initial rewards here would probably not take much time to code in, especially the +1 to all attributes idea, where you get that each time you hit 60th level, and eventually your character could become a real badass in time if you put in all the effort. The aura might be harder to code in, so probably needs a patch before we could actually get that.
3. My initial idea, while much more rewarding than either of the above threads, would also need quite a bit of coding work to be implemented, and so we probably would be lucky to be able to get it for Christmas!

@Bubax

I get excited about the future of this game when I read through community ideas for improvement. I think we can make New World a badass game in the future if we keep generating quality suggestions to developers [that] appear eager to listen to their players

Me too! I love this game’s potential, and getting another character, on the same server where I worked a character to 60th level would simply keep me playing and building character after character, without the need for extensive coding efforts on the part of the developers. I view this as a cheap and easy way to keep players playing, while we await the developers making more stuff for us to do with all our characters.

We should ask folks to share their own thoughts, and keep these kind of threads up on top.

[Seruum]

NEW GAME+
I mean it has had a long standing run within the rpg world but have yet to see it in an MMO setting. New world would probably be a game that can pull it off since there is no need for alts really. the only real question would be what rewards people would get.

reward could be something as simple as a straight standing bonus in all zones of x amount of xp or levels.

could be a yield bonus to farming since it is mainly going to be the pve players enjoying this aspect of the game.

could upscale the main story mission rewards to level 60.

[MadHippo]

I kinda like the Idea of NG+ in NW. I might be biased, because I love FromSoft games. But yeah… the question is which rewards this should give… don’t think you should get an advantage over players who don’t like to do that, so maybe give skins, titles and or achievements would be an Idea.

[CrimsonX]

in my experience all of these “prestige” game play loops end up pretty trash and they could have put these resources to something better that added something to the game for everyone.

[Sonickat]

The leveling experience inbthis game gets worse each day. New players arent marketed to. We cant level alts and there is little to no incentive to run low level players through level appropriate areas.

Introduce a system where players can OPTIONALLY scale down their power level to the areas max recommended power level. Then when this is turned on upgrade rewards from content for that player to their natural power level. So i.e. i can go run depths scaled and get expertise ect.

[WarMongerian]

@Seruum

NEW GAME+

What is that? I’m not familiar with this at all, and so have no idea what your post would be @Seruum ?

[Seruum]

new game+ is essentially starting the game over but keeping your items and skills. in most rpg games they scale the difficulty up and provide higher xp to further your progression like in souls games and such but is not always the case like the witcher series. the games that don’t scale are normally games that have different outcomes built into dialogue choices and players want to experience the other choices in new runs.

[WarMongerian]

Ok, I kinda sorta see that, (I think), so if I understand correctly, it would be something like in D2, where your character progresses to Nightmare or Hell difficulty?

[Bubax]

It could be, but whatever the devs cooked up would be wonderful because content for lower-level players becomes very hard to complete when everyone is basically lvl 60 running chain OPRs. They’re left to do everything on their own and I’d guess very few stick with the game.

Gaining an alt on a server you’ve hit 60 would rock–and, once you get that alt to lvl 60 as well you could elect to reset the character slot (absorbing the character) for +1 prestige level rewards…where’s the negative? The only thing I’d absolutely want to see happen is 1) shared storage, and 2) shared trade skill progression and skill transfers.

[ZhaoDraco]

FFXIV has this new game plus for a long time now, New World can copy it. It is definitely much better than prestige system some people are asking for since it will only widen the gap between those who has lots of time to grind these prestige for those extra bonuses versus those that do not have he time. Basically adding more grind mechanic. This is why FFXIV new game plus is the best way for those that just wants to relive questing and the story without any extra rewards etc.