For me it’s totally unfair to have more than 1 year late with only 1 month playing.
No, they certainly are not.
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[1] Were Fresh Start servers locked and invitation only? (RTA were)
[2] Fresh Start servers had queues of over 5 hours (RTA servers didnt)
[3] Fresh Start servers had conjested zones and difficulty gathering from mass competition (RTA didnt)
[4] Fresh Start servers didnt allow naked pvp win trading. Making daily gypsum from arena and opr super fast (RTA were permitted to break code of conduct with AGS blessing)
[5] Fresh Start servers could not level pvp flagged for bonus speed without fear of being attacked and losing time (RTA servers had pre-arranged agreements between streamers, dividing territories and establishing no pvp mandates between factions)
[6] Fresh Start servers have large competiton between crafters to establish market dominance and gather materials (RTA servers were invitation only, next to no competition and free reign to gather rare materials)
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RTA servers have nothing in common with Fresh Start servers other than they opened on the same day. The rulesets that both RTA and Fresh Start servers functioned under were totally different and totally in favor of RTA servers.
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You cannot possibly merge RTA servers with Fresh without defiling Fresh Start servers integrity. That is why the only option is to merge RTA with Legacy servers.
And with all your reasons you think RTA are more like legacy ones? What’s this logic?
I could also say:
[1] Due to the low population, we can’t even OPR, like OPR is a big event for us to try to launch it 1 time a week maybe lol…
[2] The queues are a detail because it lasts like 2 or 3 days max. So here you compare some hours advantage on our side, but you don’t want to recognize the advantage of more than 1 year advantage, let’s be serious please.
[3] You have the difficulty of farming, maybe. But again it’s a disadvantage for an advantage. You can do many other things we can’t.
[4] We can’t even play OPR, you can.
[5] We can’t even WAR, you can.
[6] We can’t find expedition easily, you can.
But even if you have all these advantages, we’re still ok to merge with you because at least we had about the same time of hours played since our servers start at the same time.
Legacy bro… Do I really need to argue the imbalance RTA servers have with legacy? Come on… Just don’t be narrow minded.
At this point, the only thing we ask is to not be forced to merge with a legacy server, because it’s totally unfair.
And the solution is to give the choice to the player to join legacy if they want (but no come back) or to join a fresh server (again RTA a is fresh server even if you don’t accept it, we start from 0, and we can’t transfer our old caracter, that’s the definition of a fresh server).
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Yes, the streamers who were paid to promote the game left, after their JOB was finished.
It’s a problem of what to do with RTA. Merging to FSS is not equitable to those FSS servers receiving RTA players. Merging FSS to Legacy is not equitable to FSS players.
If you wanted to play FSS, you should have played FSS, not joined a marketing event YOU WEREN’T PAID to promote. The streamers did what they were paid to do. You and the other RTA players VOLUNTARILY gave AGS free advertising assistance to those streamers, while you participated in the event. Just as you CHOSE to invest your time in RTA, other players CHOSE to invest their time in FSS or stay on Legacy. I personally think you chose poorly as when I read about the event I CHOSE not to participate in it.
This is probably the only decent suggestion in your thread. Sadly, since AGS doesn’t have the technology to put all RTA event players on one giant RTA server, this likely won’t happen, but is actually the MOST EQUITABLE choice for the RTA players in this matter.
One of the major points of FSS is that they will never allow transfers ONTO FSS. They can and will merge FSS for population control, but transfers are never allowed. There are plenty of other options as you’ve listed, but they are not equitable to various groups of players as I have listed above.
One alternative you did not list, which I think AGS should implement for RTA, if they force the RTA → Legacy merges through, is to instead give all RTA players a Free Transfer Token to any Legacy server, in recognition of the free advertising assistance that you gave to AGS. This way, even though RTA → Legacy is NOT IDEAL for RTA players, this would be the most equitable solution for RTA players, under the assumption they are forcing RTA → Legacy as the only option for RTA players. This would allow RTA players to choose which Legacy server they end up on, instead of forcing them all onto one Legacy server they may not want to move to.
TL;DR RTA players got the short end of the stick, AGS should give RTA players Free Transfer Tokens to Legacy servers of their choosing.
That’s certainly your CHOICE, to say good by forever, just as you CHOSE to give AGS free advertising assistance by playing RTA, instead of FSS. AGS admitted that they revised their position on considering RTA servers equal to FSS servers, which they also said is not inline with their previous statements.
It’s a fact that RTA players got the short end of the stick, but your above statement forces them to break the entire point of the FSS experiment and break their word about FSS never allowing transfers of EXISITING characters into FSS worlds. Why would they chose this option, if you think about it there’s no benefit to them.
The most equitable choice for RTA players, under the condition that AGS forces the RTA → Legacy merges, would be to instead give all RTA players a Free Transfer Token to go to any Legacy server they would like.
The most equitable choice, under the condition of server population health, would be to merge all RTA servers into one giant server, but that would be disadvantageous for those RTA players that are not in the same region/time zone as the majority of the RTA players.
This has been debunked time and again the last day or so…you spread misinformation when you clearly do not know what you are talking about. The streamers and everyone else saying these are FSS are correct and you are wrong.
Also FRESH START servers written plain as day right there for you to read, only thing is they open to the general public a bit later on.
Watch your favorite Twitch streamers forge a new legacy into their very own fresh start worlds in Return to Aeternum.
There I made the relevant part easier to see for you.
By every single metric that has any value you are wrong.
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No one is doing opr these days on low pop realms, and yes, plenty of Fresh Start servers are low pop, even as low pop as RTA servers are. I can tell you that during the RTA event opr happened on RTA servers non-stop.
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That has nothing to do with anything. Like all the the points you tried to make, that is the case AFTER the RTA event finished. All of the points I made were DURING the RTA…
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So when you can address the sheer differences between RTA servers and Fresh Start servers, when it mattered, which was from server creation through the RTA…then a discussion can be had. Otherwise you are just presenting a strawman argument, because you have nothing else.
Continuing the discussion from [Notice] Fresh Start World and Return to Aeternum World Merges for All Regions - December 6th, 2022:
I bolded the relevant part of the more recent AGS posting that refutes the entirety of your post.
So you need explanations to understand why it is unfair for RTA servers to be merged with Legacy ones?
That not really relevant, RTA are fresh start worlds and do not belong with legacy servers.
I play both on Death and have a legacy character I played since release day on Maramma and RTA server are not anywhere NEAR legacy server in terms of advancement and are even behind day one FSS.
AGS tried to pull a fast one on us with information that is clearly bogus and tried to retcon history. RTA belong with other FSS it’s just that simple.
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RTA servers are closer to Legacy servers than they are to Fresh Start Servers.
No they are not by any metric that has any value and I know this cause I play on both unlike lots of busy bodies here that are talking without a clue.
That statement they put out is them trying to justify pulling a fast one on us and they know it which is why they “delayed” the merges so darn quick.
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You were arguing about the imbalance of RTA server and other FSS, weren’t you?
I am just trying to say that all the unfairness or imbalance you will find between us, it would be nothing compare to the gap there is between RTA and Legacy ones.
No strawman, just simple logic.
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Lol how can you even say that? What are the arguments?
The truth is most FSS that were open since day one are ahead of RTA FSS…so saying RTA servers are closer to legacy is a laughable, disingenuous ploy by far.
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Exactly.
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FSS players should be happy to welcome RTA players to make their server more alive. They think we are far ahead, but it’s false, we’re just far behind… lol. There are actually only advantages for them.
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You know what’s the funny part?
Since they changed their mind after saying they will never merge them into legacy, they can’t change their mind a second time, because no one will trust them afterwards
If they go forward and merge RTA in legacy server now one will trust them anyways.
Fact is most people I know both in game, the various discords I am in for the 3 servers I have a character on don’t trust them right now farther than they can spit.
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If you wanted to play FSS, you should have played FSS, not joined a marketing event YOU WEREN’T PAID to promote. The streamers did what they were paid to do. You and the other RTA players VOLUNTARILY gave AGS free advertising assistance to those streamers, while you participated in the event. Just as you CHOSE to invest your time in RTA, other players CHOSE to invest their time in FSS or stay on Legacy. I personally think you chose poorly as when I read about the event I CHOSE not to participate in it.
The thing is, we didn’t all choose to play RTA. AGS put the game on sale on Steam after the RTA event ended, advertised that there were Fresh Start servers for new players, and opened the RTA servers to the public without any indication that they were anything other than Fresh Start servers. I didn’t choose to play on an RTA server, I chose to play on a Fresh Start server with no warning that there was anything different about it.
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