All the comparisons made me finally try RuneScape and it's 100X more fun with 100X more things to do

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From a PVE perspective, which I am mostly a PVE player, NW has launched with the smallest amount of content I have ever seen an MMO launch with.

2 dungeons that most people really don’t have access to
Some Elite zones that are so boring most people don’t even want to do them. They were more fun pre-tedium patch.
Endless mindless harvesting for resources to raise all the trade skills.
Housing.
I guess loot box faming is content?

Thats about it from a PVE perspective.

If you include from the PVP side of things…
I think AGS was banking on most people taking part in territory wars all the time. I don’t think that happens but I may just not notice it happening as much as it might be.
There is also invasions which are probably more PVE oriented but a lot of players don’t get the opportunity to do those even if they wanted to and from I see they fail most of the time. Outpost rush. Haven’t tried it but I want to someday.

Some of these have been down, too lagged, and or exploited.

Thats a pretty small amount of content in my opinion. The small amount of content they do have is mostly gated.

Still its occupying my time. Mostly because I farm hemp all day to level armorsmithing so I can make my own void bent. Eventually I will finish it. Then I have no idea what I am going to do. I don’t even really care about the armor. Its not top end. I just think it looks cool and I made this goal for myself just so that I could have something to do.

A game that I have to force a goal on myself to play is not a game that’s fun. I want to waste time in a game but I don’t want a game to waste my time. New World in all honesty just wastes my time. None of this is fun.

Leveling was fun up until about 30 or 40. After that the newness had worn off and was replaced by repetitiveness. Nothing is really memorable in the quests outside of a few things. The leveling dungeons were fun to do once or twice. Haven’t even done the last two yet because I haven’t done any watermark yet. Its not fun to do so I have mostly avoided it. The times I have done some elite zones I haven’t gotten crap. When I did get something it was light armor and I wear heavy or I got some weapon types I don’t use. Complete waste of my time.

Still here I am. Probably because I am disabled and don’t have much else I can do. Also my wife plays with me and that’s a plus. She loves harvesting and stuff like that. I don’t mind it. Its just that I use it to level my own stuff, not make money. Its so much tedious grind that it pisses me off more than creates fun.

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Why are you defending this Game? The speed of clearing has nothing to do with amount of things to do. This is a classic fallacy. 2 endgame dungeons. 1 repeatable pvp event. That’s it.

Blatant time gating players at this point because they are way behind on their development timeline. Why are they behind? Because of the dumpster fire they have created and subsequently made worse with each patch.

They are throwing roadblocks to buy time to try to figure out how to unfuck this disaster.

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It had 14 dungeons and 1 raid at launch. But okay keep lying liar :lying_face:

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It’s not a matter of Perspective. You are simply wrong.

WoW had 40 zones, compared to New Worlds 14
The zones themselves are similar in size.

WoW had thousands of quests, each zone ranging from maybe 50 to a couple of hundred. New world has a couple of Hundred max.
We have not even mentioned the content of each zone. Wow had unique enemy’s in every zone. You have hundreds of different enemy’s ranging from giant’s to Murlocks. New World has skeletons, zombies and ghost pirates.
Wow fashioned every city and town to be individualistic with lore to support them. Each with it’s own history. New World has copy and paste.

I can concede that at launch WoW didn’t have any Battlegrounds. However open world PVP in wow was thriving. You had massive raid parties attacking cites. You had enemy lines. It was engaging. I would go so far as to say it was the best thing about wow.
It didn’t take long for wow to add battlegrounds though, and when they did they had variety and were fun.

When I read this I question if you even played wow. They had over 20 dungeons. New World has what 5 or 6? I don’t know because I can not be arsed with grinding for hours to enter them.
As for the raids, this is what made wow famous. How can you say they were bad? Raids were Wow’s bragging rights. I personally didn’t raid, it’s not my thing, but I remember the people that did, loved them.

You must be blind! Or just willfully ignorant.

This isn’t a debate about quality. New World ‘should’ be better, it’s new, but it’s not, New World lacks the variety of wow. Games should progress, wow set the standard by growing from Everquest, then games like swtor, Guild Wars 2 and Eso raised the standard at least with questing and story telling.
New World has now lowered that standard back to wow levels. It’s almost as if they didn’t even look at other mmo’s.

New World is not without innovation though. Town boards are a great idea offering much in terms of content. New World improved on most mmo’s in almost everything. Graphics, sound, ambiance. It’s a great little world. The combat is good. I enjoy the game. But it’s weakness is the amount of content.

To claim New World has the same amount of content, or even similar to wow is like saying The Sex pistols had the same if not more albums that The Rolling stones. It’s just wrong. How you feel about those albums is not relevant and when you say 'from my perspective you sound like a millennial going on about ‘your truth’ as if truth and fact is subjective.

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Only 14? I stand corrected, I thought it was over 20. It’s still well over double that of New World.

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dno wtf you on about. ppl have always played 15-18h a day. they do it today, they did it 20 years ago. the content thing has nothing to do with that at all.

back then most mmos werent pve centric so that was never an issue. it started to be an issue with wow and all the shitclones that followed it cos the endgame suddenly was some pve shit.

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I have actually played RS3 and i still do. I play both from time to time… and yess the “bossing” Ahem botting is terrible is OSRS

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The way i value it is regarding the time needed to finish the content,
I do not mind if they are many dungeons if the only people running was brd at that point.

The raids was poor from mechanics perpective.
But its normal to see it that way 16 years later.

The varietty of enemies and the more areas adds quality of the content.
When i time things regarding content i time it from fresh character until its almost full gear.

WoW end game raids had timers and new world dungeons thats the only end contenct, have keys. its just a mechanic to slow you down.

Ofcourse we compare a game released in 2004 and a game released in 2021. thats says it all.
I mean New World should be at stage that we make comparisons like that.but because people did it. I posted my opinion.

Regarding the open world pvp both new world and wow had it. New world had outpost a way earlier than WoW had BG. Also new World had War.
I am trying to be fair to both games.

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i saw that some manager or something said it but i dont know the context. what is it

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It was answer the a dev gave to a guy who made a post about getting 300k gold at the little giveaway they had last week

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why go silently into the night

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Anyone remember Ultma Online back in 1997 to 1998 that first year or two, even with the crappy lagging dail up connection that game had it all. Every game I play now I Always compare to it. Housing crafting dungeons private vendors at your house and the constant fear and adrenalin rush of being ganked for the ore you just mined.

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But your not counting most of the wow content. To finish the wow content you would need multiple characters spread across both factions. The quests themselves are different for The Horde and the alliance. In wow, there are more quests than levels. Meaning you would hit max level well before completing every quests.
In New World one character can do everything between 300 - 400 hours. That’s everything, maxed professions, every quest, maxed faction progression. You couldn’t do that on wow, not even close. You could do one character, but that’s not all the content.

Variety is not the quality of content. It’s just content. Anything that takes time to create is content. The quality is how good it is and how well it works.

It’s really not true. I know, because I’m a PVP player. Open World pvp is non existent in New World. It’s PVP players biggest complaint and recently even PVE players have touched on the issue. If only to moan about the boon to entice more people to flag. As for battle grounds their locked behind the game. You can’t do them until the games is finished. What a great idea…

But your not being fair, remember this is about content at launch. Not replay-ability, not grind. Content! Cutting a tree down is content. Very nicely done in New World too. Having to cut 300k trees down is not content, it’s a time sink to hide the fact there is no content. and you’ve been suckered.

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Im defending common sense here :slight_smile:

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Why are people still here discussing how great other games are and how bad this one is and how they all are uninstalling? Oh thats right, they don’t really mean what they say! Just a bunch of puffer fish. You ain’t leaving, we know better.

I’ve got every penny of my $40

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I did finish all quests from the horde site. maybe i missed 1 or 2. to run a 2nd character to complete the other side its not content.its replayability.
Its like complete all achievements in New World.and switch to both 3 fanctions to do it.

We can talk about replayability and quality and i can agree with that but content, no sorry.

Regarding open world pvp both games have it. the matter if people play or if you having fun have nothing to do about it.

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You also don’t get it. Big part of ppl here already left.
We would like to come back tho

Also noone gives any fks about the 40bucks

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No they didn’t. THey just say they did. No one is going back to ESO or FF42 or Wow or Runscape or farm world, they just say this to be dramatical. Those games are shit compared to this one.

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I thought I will explain this and provide links with data.
But I don’t want to XD
You’ve almost 800k less active players
Don’t worry, people do leave

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No, quests are content. You seem to struggle with what content is. Content is created things that take time to create. You didn’t finish every quest with one character before you reached max level. Sure, you can go and quest endlessly after you maxed the level cap, but it takes hours and hours to do… content. Replayability is when you can play content over and over again. Such as a battleground.

Again your trying to change the meaning of content rather than admit that wow has far more than New World. In New world if you play through the quests with one faction, then start again with another character in a different faction all the quests are the same. You are repeating yourself.

In world of warcraft you are doing different quests, ala Content and it’s deeper in WoW because you have different quests for different races too. That’s why there are so many quests. Human get the 1-10 quests in Elwynn Forest, Dwarfs get Dun Morogh, Night Elves get Teldrassil, Content.

Now you might say, ah, but New World has quests in every town, and yes a few, not many. Most of what you do is repeatable quests from factions and town boards. Which is not content. When you do it the first time, that’s the content, when you do it again it’s a grind.

Which is why I didn’t mention it when questioning the amount of content. You brought it up, or maybe someone else. I loose track. But it’s true that New world’s open world content is inactive and wow’s was active.

You think this because you want New World to have the content, but it hasn’t. You have to do mental gymnastics about what content is and include the grind to think this.

Don’t get me wrong either. I like New World, it’s a great game. Fix the bugs and keep adding to it while staying away from p2w and it could be the best to date. There is much in the way of replayability. But what it’s not is equal to wow or any other mmo that’s worth mentioning on content.

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No, that’s content. If you switch factions here you have the same exact quests in the same exact zones around the same exact people. If you start another character in WoW on the other faction you have an entirely different experience. Different quests, different zones, different people. Do you really not see the difference?

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