All this rage over new WM system?

From what I read, you purchased dungeon keys and ran them until your WM was 600, as well as spent a ton of gold to buy mats and level your crafting.

And now im just guessing, but do you happen to have 3 major luck trophies that you purchased with gold or did they mysteriously appear in your inventory one day. Maybe someone accidentally donated you 500k gold?

Someone is hostile. I’m taking your claims with a grain of salt. I thoroughly do not believe you have played at any high level and assume you rely on others to zerg your progression for you (whether it be open world or dungeon key farming). And let us not forget all the dupes in the game that were not takin care of. Dupes that allowed many to progress much faster than they should have. Any saturation of an item in a market could have brought down your server’s trade post prices way down.

You claim to have high proficiency in crafting, but also claim anyone who does should be making bank on their professions. If, I spent my time selling all my mats, I would be gold capped 3 times over. But, I leveled my crafting and made close to BIS gear. And, that is really expensive to do. Taxes alone made me bankrupt many times and I had to farm back up. So no sir, I am not making bank on professions.

Assumptions are just that. But, I’ll stand by them because you refuse to show any care for other individual’s point of view.

I tell you this. I do not enjoy water mark grinding just the same as do many others dislike this particular grind. Forcing players to backtrack their progression and engage in a game mechanic that is thoroughly despised is wrong. That is a fact and not an assumption. You cannot argue that.

I accept you do enjoy watermark grind. But, that does not mean it is right and it does not mean that it is good for other players.

Nah he’s a troll, someone who hadn’t played parts of the game would simply be ignorant, but with his response to me he was making out like crafting was just a bit of a grind plus a small amount of gold (which is wrong) but then changes his story when it comes to people not crafting would be so behind, because then he makes out like crafting is a huge deal. The inconsistency shows he’s tailoring his replies to be contrarian to whoever he’s responding to and often his posts end up contradicting themselves. His continued appeal to us to respond to him with insults is what cemented it for me, he’s just a lame troll looking to take advantage of a situation where AGS are dunking on the player base and people are understandably upset. It’s a shame AGS don’t just ban people like him because the changes are bad enough we don’t need people rubbing salt in the wounds.

Just gonna copy paste one of my old post cause I’m tired of typing it. But in short, we know the numbers and its real bad. its minimum 20 days to get back up to your past point, realistically 30+ days. For a casual its more then 100 days. No one will stay for that grind when its just to get back up to their old place.

Now how its working;

  1. You can get 7 Gypsom a day, doing different activities. (OPR, Arena, Gathering, Killing Monster, Killing Boss, Completing Dungeon). Now, some players(allot) dislike some of these activities and won’t have fun doing them(therefore the system is already frustrating because we do not have the choice in how we get our 7 daily Gypsum).

  2. Let say you get 4 Gypsum a day(which is already 1h30), you now need to make cast. This will cost you 600 Gold per. So 2400 Gold a day(now find a way to generate it, another 2h for an average player). For allot of players this is a huge amount and we did not mention that gold will surely deflate because of this new system. (In current gold the same value will probably be double so 4800)

  3. You can only use 1 cast a day for each type of item. This mean, if you play bow and need to get it back to 580 to be able to enjoy the game like you were before the patch, you need a minimum of 20 days. This is assuming +5GS/cast, the datamined value is closer to 3GS/Cast and dropping at high GS this would mean 33 days minimum.

  4. But we are not done, remenber I said that you would grind 4 Gypsum a day, this mean you can only craft 4 cast, that is for 10 gear slot. This mean that for an average player to be back to their previous power they would need 50 days generously or 78 with datamined numbers. (and I’m generous, your average player will most likely make 2 cast a day bumping these values to 100 days and 156 days).

EDIT: I hope you understand that raising your HWM to 600 when train were possible took 2 weeks, currently its already take double that time. And with December patch you are more then doubling this time again. You got your HWM for free while other player will need months to get it.

As Info; my HWM is close to 600 so its not really affecting me, however all my friends will be affected and most likely never play again, so I will probably stop to.

one thing is certain… if the go on with that change they are telling us they wanna shut down the game and please leave you all hahha I mean dang it I am so frustrated with the whole situation and YES I LOVE PLAYING NW, but I gotta care for my self-preservation first I cannot simply keep on with frustration after frustration,…

sad on behalf of all the crafters out there! if not for you I would be wearing GS500 up to this day hahah

Read the first sentence and I know everything I need to know about the rest. The issue is that many of us crafted the gear by leveling the damn professions. I’ve been on plenty of elite runs and found them unenjoyable, but I like crafting and gathering. I get good dopamine hits when I see orange pop up everytime I cut down plants or fell a tree or hit a rock. I like doing that. I also like doing a lot of solo or duo pve stuff and the occasional dungeon with my wife. I crafted my voidbent after hundreds of hours of this kind of playstyle. Since I didn’t do watermark grinding, now my gear is less effective than if I had just bit the bullet and did the stupid watermark grind. That’s why I’m upset. The time I put into this game was devalued. If I don’t start grinding HWM now, my character is going to be weaker than it is now by about 60 - 70 gearscore. That’s just not right.

Its honestly not even like the system is a bad system. Its fine, perfectly fine even. If it was out at launch and all of us had to do that system in the first damn place. Heck, I wouldn’t even be mad if they implemented it on anything past 600gs. But they aren’t and it wasn’t. And bud, we do know how its going to work, we have reading comprehension skills. The explicitly said, your expertise will downgrade your current gear to whatever your HWM is for that piece until you grind that piece out again.

They just find this cheapest way to keep you stay on game with full 600 GS gear :slight_smile:
Once people re-farm their gear score, they will find another cheapest nerf or whatever thing to keep you in the game.
I’m sure, they know the game will die soon (Mean completly), instead of trying to re-build interesting things (Btw, everytime they touch the code more and more bugs come) they try to keep people in (Cheaper)

I like playing NW, but it’s a fact, their vision of what is interesting in term of gameplay is quite strange.

All this rage over new WM system?

This is the way the watermark system should have launched. If it launched this way and didn’t retroactively hurt other players, it would have been far better received.

Nope I have about 20000 gold left after leveling crafting. I got my gold from opr, drops doing dungeons and sirens, and that’s really about it.

I have 3 smaller houses for the traveling. They all have minor trophies except one basic corrupted trophy.

Keys more than pay for themselves in gold let alone not even considering wm gain and saleable drops from early on.

I got my wm up fast because I die 5 man content and didn’t waste it on super crappy myrk zergs.

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