Amazon explanation about blunderbuss!

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Rephrase that to “players that make mistakes or are inexperienced” and I’d agree.

Just splitting everyone into “bad” or “everyone else” buckets over simplifies this. I make mistakes in fights that sometimes lead to me getting done in by another player’s combo. I might then duel them again and obliterate them.

I suppose what you’re saying is bad players lose like this and then give up, opting to conclude that the combo is OP rather than practice against it to learn how to beat it.

And whilst I do agree with that, I don’t think that’s always the same as saying “it’s balanced because you can learn to get better”. Some builds aren’t well balanced. BB/WH has been nerfed and I don’t disagree with that change at all, despite my usage of it. So there’s nuance to this discussion.

The problem is that there is a big element of what you say. I was one of those people until I decided to focus on PVP with my FSS character and settled on BB as my weapon of choice. Took me a long time to get used to it and I’m still learning all the time.

Do I feel strong with it? Yes. I should do, though… I’ve got strong gear and I’ve been practicing with the weapon for months now. Am I a one shot wonder king? Not even close. When I do pull it off and obliterate an opponent I have to conclude that they’re just not well geared enough to withstand the combo (which is, I state again, getting a nerf).

So there’s a big disparity between what I’m seeing and what the old me saw. Am I a better player than the old me? Well, yes 100%. But the main point is that the old me was low con light and didn’t know anything about the BB because I’d never tried it. It does make a difference and if players aren’t taking that into consideration when they claim it’s op then I agree that definitely biases their opinions.

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If you don’t think BB has the highest burst damage in PvP idk what to tell you. It’s absolutely braindead if you can hit your auto attacks AND do a full burst combo of 4 inputs, it’s the strongest weapon in the game at close/midrange

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I think it is up there with the highest burst damage. If you land everything it can do at the correct range then it is very high burst.

What damage it actually deals is hugely dependent on so many “ifs” though. Successfully landing shock wave on a light target is a good way to remove the need to ask many of those “ifs”.

If a target maintains a 5m gap or is so in my face that I have to constantly track them and manage through staggers so I can actually reload when my initial attack doesn’t go well then the “ifs” stack up pretty rapidly.

Shrapnel is not strong at any range outside of the radius of the capstone grenade aoe damage. I can still do good damage outside of that range by aiming and I do spec into the perk that gives me more damage at 20m but if you dare suggest that be taken away then I question your motives.

Where I get a lot of my damage if it’s not from shrapnel (and I stress, it is usually not if I’m fighting anyone who knows how to play against BB) is burn and anti heal and that’s way more important to me in small scale pvp than being able to maybe lock one guy and maybe kill them in one hit.

Take the squishy targets and put them in front of any well geared WH with any other big follow up hit and they’ll die just as easily.

I do sometimes pull off a good flick shot with the shrapnel combo on a moving target who gets into its ideal range and that’ll sometimes be enough to turn the fight way into my favour. But so what? If a bow hits me in the head with a heavy and follows it up with any high damage skill then it’ll do the same for them. All most GS players need to do is chain all their big hits together and at least two of them will hit me. A sns can stun lock me and ignore 70% of my damage just by blocking. Up until now, if I’m facing a similarly skilled musket I may as well not apply. Some hatchet players who avoid my cc just left click me as I’m trying to gain space to reload and they don’t care I’ve triggered my 50% damage reduction perk.

This combo doesn’t make me a good player. It’s just one tool I can potentially use and unless you’ve actually tried it yourself I don’t think you can really understand how hard it can be to pull off consistently.

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Does not work on knock downs

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Mate its so sad that you waste your time for people who even dont want to try to understand, they just want to complain

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see next bbs and mage monkey patch. monkey

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Please, nerf this weapon asap! Nerf “Last chance”, 30% forti will be enough and 1 min cd too. Also change delay between animations, because of now delay = o. And ofc nerf azoth shrapnel blast. You can just delete double shot (left mouse click + shrapnel in 0.2 sec).

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@Shadow_Fox @Luxendra @Kay @Fenne @Fennec @Aenwyn
what do y think about bbs nerf??? ask the question!

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Don’t post about weapons that you idnt even bther to play for at least 5minutes :clown_face:

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you can go 200 con but you need an ench keenly emp bb. you just get deleted with opal, no need to slot firegem on bb.

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What’s the farthest you can hit all 6 pellets from? You only hit 2 in that image. Thank you in advance!

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thats just me showing a poc
you can hit all. I am just being weird with the aim at 14m so i grabbed 1 with 5 for you.

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Cheers

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Ye, famous one shot combo against afk 150 con light 0 elem resist
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Which gives him ± 8k damage
LOL
ONE SHOT

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You can use the BB at its maximum range which is actually pretty good if you aim.

If you aim, which basically renders you innert so yeh… great for dueling, a death sentence in any other scenario unless you’re chasing down a runner (in which case, who cares?) Not going to one shot anyone at that range though. Halfik was wrong with his remark about it being a range of 5m and, honestly, I don’t think his rhetoric helps the discussion whatsoever.

The BB is a strong weapon. It is a shotgun that can be used at good range (nothing compared to any other ranged weapon though, if they decide they’re not going to let you get close, you just don’t get close). If you’re good with it, you can be deadly at any range up to about 10-15m I’d say. I’ve practiced using it by sniping a kiting target and if I get all my shots off then it’ll force them to move away more.

But specifically the skill this topic is talking about? It’s only useful up to about 5m or maybe a little more. If they’re outside of the blast range for the capstone grenade then it’s tickle damage, mostly. The thing that’s a bit silly about shrapnel blast is that the devs obviously intended it to be used as an AOE shot but it is almost useless if used that way.

But if you give players a shotgun and then also give them the option to use a secondary weapon that fixes their target in place so they can use that shotgun at 0m range without needing to aim at all… that’s what they’ll use.

The thing that makes me laugh though is this thread is demanding a change to the BB because the GH makes it too strong against low armoured targets but in the next thread I’m being told the next meta will be BB/FS, which will have almost zero CC at all, rendering the BB’s shrapnel blast just a secondary consideration in most fights, used only to repel melee players if they get too close (which they won’t, because the FS combined with the BB will allow the player to kite endlessly… yay NW PVP combat!)

The nerf to GH damage is enough to reduce this combo’s overall damage. I fail to outright kill targets enough now to know that nerf is going to make it even harder for this combo to do more than just force my target to go run away and pot. That’s how most fights end up these days anyway because the majority of players I PVP against have an alergic reaction to… you know… sometimes dying in a fight and would rather string said “fight” out to an endless running simulator.

Yes, this build is awful as chasing down anyone who doesn’t want to get caught. In order for this combo to even work, you need an opponent who is weak and willing to actually fight you. Fewer and further between as the game matures.

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it doesn’t, you’re not using the animation cancel on auto. BB auto’s are insanely faster with it. (no i am not talking about auto ability or inverse)

thats pretty common, he invades threads and just spouts nonsense all the time then no one is left to check because he reports all answers.

You dont need cc for the shrapnel (its definitely good with it though). You can have someone else use hammer or use a javelin or any knockdown. Or just stam enemy with your secondary then go for 1 tap. With patient gameplay your auto->shrapnel will always hit.

Its not about you 1 tapping someone, its about you utilizing anyone in your team/army’s knockdown and just 1 tapping anyone. I use double down and throw splitting nades whenever i see someone with hammer closing on someone. If they land their knockdown → 1 tap, if they don’t the ability is back in seconds anyway. Not to mention it pairs really well with steadfast, javelin, clearout, charged calamity. The burst is too insane, and does split damage thrust + fire, next patch even a gemstone wont be able to negate that much burst.

no one is asking you to fight 1v1, all you need is to build up on your team/army’s abilities and you rack up free kills/pressure in wars/oprs.

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now do this on a moving target in wars or OPR, without aiming like you’re doing because that’s a death sentence

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I stated in the post that I’m not even optimized to do the combo. I’m medium with 200 con in that. If you run light with 150 con or less you can easily one shot mediums

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They are too busy nerfing blood rapier and spear

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I’m not sure this is going to convince AGS to do anything except maybe look into whatever animation cancel you’re using to “not make you slow down” when using aim :smiley:

I don’t use whatever it is you’re talking about. When I aim with the BB, I slow down. It’s fine, I think this works well. I just think the range and aim of the BB is balanced. I spec into the added damage for this reason. But I’m only killing anyone at this range if they’re already low.