BiS Named Drops - Do they ACTUALLY exist?

[pecanin]

I have hundreds of Rafflebone items ,what exactly are “God Tier” item so i can sell ?

[Kroby1]

them regular pants though

[Sonickat]

@andrew.miesem

Unpopular opinion, I know, but I don’t think BiS really exists in NW like it does in other MMOs because of the build diversity that exists via skills/perks. There is certainly a class of items that could be said to be within that BiS zone, but there is no single BiS for anyone.
That being said, you can always look at NWDB to see from where items drop.

BIS doesn’t exist in NW because there is no combat log and no meters. We don’t actually have objective irrefutable evidence which perks are better than the other. It’s all superficial observations, assumptions, and perception. Until we have a text export that we can parse and actually dig into the numbers and test things we don’t know what is actually better than what. People see bigger numbers and assume its better than other perks when different perks affect combat in different ways.

[andrew.miesem]

Totally valid. There’s also the fact that this isn’t a tab-target MMO, so individual player skill and style tends to play into this as well. Some weapons and abilities just feel right, and so one player might do more damage/healing with that build than another player.

[Sonickat]

I don’t agree there - the same is always true… skill and ability to replicate a rotation affect output. This is why benchmarks and testing remove those variables. A Bis item isnt affected by the weilder regardless of the user the item will be best in slot it just doesn’t peform to the same potential. Only in very very extreme circumstances will a different item perform better based on the user’s inadequacies.

[andrew.miesem]

I understand what you’re saying, and there is a lot to that. However, removing the essential auto-target mechanic that exists in a number of other MMOs means that the actual manual dexterity required to inflict damage is greater than would otherwise be the case. A musket user who can’t aim quickly won’t do as much damage as one who can. A fire staff user who can anticipate where a player will be based on their movement and time their attacks that way will do more damage than one who can’t. Again, I’m not saying that BiS doesn’t exist at all, but it’s not ever going to be a single item or single piece of gear, and that’s a good thing. That means that New World is getting better at providing ways to have a great deal of build diversity, and I’m all for it.

[Trufitus]

bis varies quite a bit from person to person, some tanks prefer bane swords, others are happy with deep root or infernus for all their tanking needs

this is one of the new swords from brim and it is quite good for skitzo’s

Shadow's Edge - Item - New World Database

[Sonickat]

@andrew.miesem

Again, I’m not saying that BiS doesn’t exist at all, but it’s not ever going to be a single item or single piece of gear, and that’s a good thing.

I’m sorry but your wrong just because we can’t quantify an item as BIS doesn’t mean there isn’t a BIS. We simply can’t define it at the moment. Skill doesn’t affect an items potential only the ability to realize that potential. BIS marks potential. If we could objectively test and log actual combat data we could quantifiably without a doubt define certain items in NW as BIS regardless of skill and build diversity. It would be definable due to how game rules enforce certain limits - you could measure performance you would know without a reason of a doubt which items are best with what perks.

I think the big reason we don’t have a combat log is because we still have a great deal of perks that don’t work and are bugged. If they introduced a combat log it would show just how buggy the game is ahow much doesn’t opperate based on the tooltip info.

I have several outstanding quantified and verified bugs with perks that have been outstanding for months - non trivial things. Yet here instead of fixing crap thats broken we get a new auto potion we didnt even ask for. Its nonsense.

[andrew.miesem]

Well, I did say it’s an unpopular opinion, and that opinion hasn’t changed, but good luck to you.

[Catpuccino]

BiS is just very subjective in this game, and usually just comes down to 3 very desirable perks on an item. And there are a lot of desirable perks lol

[Revelate]

also the question is, talking pve or pvp?

i guess that 90% of this topic is about a rapier with corrupted bane you talk pve?

[Saroth]

na safe pvp

[Bankai90000]

I got Wildfire Torch out of an OPR chest. From what I know that’s pretty rare.
Idk if it’s BiS, but for me it’s good enough

[Bloodangel1378]

#2Ez

[Catpuccino]

OPR loot is different tbh, we know it exists and comes from OPR chests but… has anyone ever actually seen a named item drop from a random alligator or something like nwdb claims it does? Or do I have to hunt down the nonexistent rafflebones for a 1% chance of getting it

[Pointe]

@Sonickat

I don’t agree there - the same is always true… skill and ability to replicate a rotation affect output.

But there are some perks that would change the rotation though right? Like a sword that has trenchant perks vs one that doesn’t.

[Pointe]

I just got this one today

[Pointe]

@Catpuccino

but… has anyone ever actually seen a named item drop from a random alligator or something like nwdb claims it does?

Lol damn true.

[fancyrat]

Wildfire Torch isn’t considered a bis firestaff by alot of people but it is a solid firestaff with 3 solid perks regardless.

I have one myself and was my first and only weapon upgraded to 625 and I use it all the time.