Bow... I know it isn't in a great spot but I love it 🥰

[billyd343]

@Soluss

Oh the dummy test is just an inside joke about how someone tried to prove bow damage on a test dummy. I wasn’t serious.

Lmao That guy was comical

[Relentless_Turnip]

He is a very decent dude. We just don’t agree on this subject

[Soluss]

He was talking about the training test dummy guy I was referring to

[m03t]

just to ad thing about spear bow.
its no good for duels if its light armour.
its controled enviroment and easy to dodge if done right.
as soon as you mess that up spear is really strong , which is what happens in rush.
you panic or someone else comes.
i dont lose from spear in duels with rapier.
it just never lands .
even in rush its limited sometimes.
so dmg with bow rapier light is way lower in rush.
we dont have rend that can be aplied easy.
if i use riposte im saving my life more or less.
i cant attack with it.
so yeah

[X123123]

@Pointe

Man if you learn how to double-shot, bow is actually crazy for dueling and 1v2

Mind pointing out how you do this?

[Pointe]

Unfortunately idk how to do it, but I can record some bows doing it on my server. It’s crazy because you can basically get off a normal shot and a pen shot in the same pull one right after the other

[Relentless_Turnip]

So you can rather do a hip fire into a pen/poison or you can do a light attack into pen/poison.
You have to tap the mouse button instead of holding and releasing.
I’m not great at it, but it’s just about timing.
I also am used to holding a shot and releasing.

[Pointe]

Bow Double Shot

you can see them both do it here

[X123123]

Oh, yeah that’s easy to, I thought you were talking about the bug where you literally fire off two arrows at once.

[m03t]

you do aimed light attack and after pen shot or poison.
timing needs to be almost at the same time .
so ass soon as you press mouse you need to press Q , like same time.
i kinda spam light and ability same time coz its bit hard to time it with 30 fps.

[Soluss]

Instead I got the bug where my skill doesn’t actually go off at all but makes the noise. Imagine how crappy that is in the middle of combat.

[Pointe]

Thats crazy, anyone got a vid of that?

[Sodalink]

I think that is because you are trying to chain skill and that happens. I’ve been getting it too when I try to chain a skill right after another, but devs decided that only bows should not be able to do that so they put a 0.x stun/snare on us after each skill so we can’t dodge or perform another skill. It is pretty annoying and main why I switched to GA as it takes no skill to do decent and market is flooded with gear for it.

[Soluss]

Yes that is mostly when it occurs but it also occurs if you dodge roll right into a pen or poison shot as well. Its so jarring, throws timing off, have to think about it a second, you realize what happened, missed your window, probably dead now or you fired again after and missed. Its terrible.

[Sodalink]

Yep, it is pretty annoying and by the time you can shoot again the player is back to full hp. Pretty common in OPR and maybe wars, but I don’t know bow is not allowed to wars anymore lol.

[MrSky]

Here my stats I played with today’s OPRs ( I am changin gear and gems very often) from a Lazarus Bow 625 GS, and this musket with critical rate + critical dmg + enchanted it’s from Lazarus also.
Average hits were about 1,8-3k (3k penetrating shot?) so it’s about 13% of my HP
Musket hits around 780-920 + 1,3/1,4k elemental dps same.
I have also 4x 3.9 Shrikin Fortification + Physical aversion 3.8%, resilent 5x.
Today I have terrible lags so I had a real problem to take a screen shot of this dps from bow and musket u need to believe me if u play on Dry Tree I have time now we can check.

Here I also did a test GA 625 GS 14% boost while grit, gem malachit weapon in close combat on a guy with 11% slash resistant, 1,8k physical and 1,3k elemental reduction 7,5% void resistant ( Gravity is elemental dmg)
1st Gravity

2nd Light attack 0 stacks

3rd Light attack on 3 stacks

In my opinion damage for weapon is pretty balanced, u as a bow or musket can deal some damage before he come after you, if u see he is geting closer u can kite back, avoiding close combat.

Everything I checked without any extra dmg mitigation, no -% def mitigation, just pure dps.

[MrSky]

More over I need to stress that, FS is in terrible state with my 5% resist, FS hit me much less than bow and musket with 17 % resist !!! IG is OP with 5% IG just melted me with it’s Ice Spikes.

[Fjordpvp]

Yeah completely agree tbh

[billyd343]

@Relentless_Turnip

I fight medium and heavy players and consistently do good damage to them. Watch my videos if you don’t believe me.

It’s fine if in your experience you don’t agree, but I’m certain if they buff the 3 things I have explained above and damage. Bow will be nerfed again shortly after. It will be too much… Bow damage is fine IMO.

I don’t think this will happen actually. They have consistently buffed melee and other weapons and we have seen almost no nerfs. I think if these buffs are made then bow users will actually have a place in the game, and more people will be able to use the bow successfully. I do not think it will be overpowered unless they increase the armor penetration by a dramatic margin and that won’t happen. They need to make changes to the bow and after thinking about it more I think that adding some armor penetration or at least changing the abilities to have the choice to add armor penetration will help the bow and overall help the game. The current meta is trash, and it is not fun, but these changes will actually help the game. The bow will still be difficult to use for most people but it will be dangerous in a skilled players hands.

[Relentless_Turnip]

And what in your opinion is the current meta? I hear it described many ways is why I ask.