Bow Meta in OPR right now so disgusting

[RandManly]

So you think an aoe tank weapon with tons of cc and permanent grit should do more damage than a single target DPS weapon?

INTERESTING.

[bottemtext]

its the highest base damage weapon in the game that takes several seconds to charge up a heavy with two rends it should be able to do more damage then a weapon that can attack twice as fast. the bow is gonna out dps it

[RandManly]

I guess you need to be more specific on the comparison. A heavy headshot after a dodge roll with the right gem from over 25m on a target they haven’t hit in a while (bow has a lot of damage modifiers, is the point)… Versus a hammer aoe ability.

Not really a fair comparison?

[bottemtext]

my guy im talking about a heavy auto not an ability

[RandManly]

Right but base damage means nothing with how many modifiers bows have. You also have to aim down sight for a bit to get that heavy off. And the bow’s heavy basics just got nerfed hard…

[kbn90]

@MaDBoLT

A couple blunderbuss users are doing WAAAY to much damage so I assume that’s an exploit and I report them immediately.

lol wth

[kbn90]

That phys aversion gear everyone passed up starting to look real good lol

[vahid.panjali]

It’s not a Meta problem. it’s a lack of role-based matchmaking which is incredibly hard to implement beause there isn’t a cross-server game mode feature.

It’s gonna feel always the same. you gonna lose more games to number of healers. you gonna have a team with all DPS and not a single tank. you gonna be in a team of new level 60 vs owners of EF.

It’s not a Meta issue.

[cattboy]

Hey OP, I agree the bow is overtuned and hopefully it’s adjusted soon

I made a lengthy post elsewhere on this issue but have been reading this thread since you created it. Cheers

TL;DR Bow’s arrows projectile size is too big. Backed up by research and data

@cattboy

Bow absolutely needs a projectile hitbox nerf and heres my reasoning.

You can shoot half a body width away from a target and still land damage, is this a tab target game or an action MMO with skill shots?

Don’t trust my image? Here, I made a video highlighting the problem

Ranged Projectile Size Comparison

Anyone saying “bow is fine” “bows not OP” is trolling and enjoying the FotM (flavor of the month) broken weapon. In the history of meta-breaking balance, I place this next to the stupidly OP Great Axe lunging distance that was 6+ meters auto-snapping onto a targets.

If these projectile sizes were EXCLUSIVELY for PvE, I’d support that, but for PvP… NO.

Before I did this research, just playing the game things felt off and I proposed these changes, guess what… other ranged weapons have different projectile sizes, WHY DOESN’T BOW!?

@cattboy

Bow arrow projectile size is too big

Melee attacks have different lunge distancing (homing translation) depending if it’s a light or heavy attack

Bow should do the same with arrow projectile size, a light attack arrow should have a smaller projectile size than a heavy attack.

Reduce light attack projectile size by 30%
Reduce heavy attack projectile size by 10%

• Enfeebling Poison arrow perk should apply weaken if enemy walks in Pcloud, not just direct hit
• Poison arrow DoT should require direct hit for full duration, walking through poison cloud should be half duration at best
• Knee shot should apply to hits from waist down, needs hitbox improvements

The bows rate of fire feels good and should remain as is for combat fluidness

NOW NOW NOW Because I have SMART gamer friends who love the combat, “What about where the projectiles are coming from cattboy???” Good question! My test was from Right to Left… When the hits stop registering because this game for some reason doesn’t shoot the projectile from YOUR CHARACTER but a random location in your characters position depending on the ranged weapon used.

Doing the same experiment, but shooting from left-hand side of the dummy and moving right (inwards towards the target)

In order of projectile size
FS Heavy
IG Heavy
Bow Heavy & Bow light
fire light (slightly more)
IG Light

The projectile size differences are still there, in a different order yes, but slightly… wow you don’t say bow’s still op!?! If we edited the above image, FS/IG Lights and FS/IG heavy lines would be closer together, with BOW still a huge outlier. The differences from Left to Right is SLIGHTLY closer together, as in ~5-10 pixels per difference, while the Right to left is… just watch the video

p.s. Musket was left out because its pixel perfect and doesn’t apply, sucks for those musket users

@Kippp Because I said I’d tag you.

[Nnyan]

If you’ve played on a number of servers you’ll know that every server is a bit different. I was on one that was at least two meta’s behind. Is EVERYONE playing bow? No, on some servers more then others but still no. But there has been a HUGE uptick in the number of bow players to the point where they will be the majority of players over a number of matches. And yes I do see a match where almost everyone is bow, and others where bow numbers are more reasonable.

[SystemRename0248]

Looks like your playing musket wrong. As a bow player i get hard countered by muskets. They hit me for 4k headshots. In order for me to hit them that hard i have to use a heavy. Most of the OP muskets are running 300dex, 150 int, void gem and the void/keen ring. It hits like a truck.

[HagenZ]

@Punty

and aside from the ones using targeting exploits,

Aside from the ones who played Bow before it was meta and have 2000 hours of practice on it.

Fixed it for you.

[grumpyoldman]

please, more than half of musket and bow players use aimbots.

[Kippp]

@SystemRename0248

Looks like your playing musket wrong. As a bow player i get hard countered by muskets. They hit me for 4k headshots. In order for me to hit them that hard i have to use a heavy. Most of the OP muskets are running 300dex, 150 int, void gem and the void/keen ring. It hits like a truck.

I play with 300 dex/207 intel/5 con, and a 625 musket (usually infamy).

Also my damage difference between the bow and musket I mentioned before was me using a bow with my musket gear (high intel). I’d shoot a target in OPR with my musket and then shoot them with my bow to see the damage difference. The damage difference between the bow and musket *might be a lot higher than what I described if I put all 500 points into dex.

You can just test it on a dummy if you do not believe me. With 300 dex/150 intel and testing a musket and bow, the bow heavy attacks hit about 40% harder than the musket, and that’s before any bonus damage from rolling or not hitting a target in 10 seconds.

[IDarkStar]

Would referring the nerf on 200 CON fix this?

[Kippp]

I think the bow is just out of line with other weapons. It would make more sense to address the bow directly then buff defenses globally because that will negatively impact other weapons.

[IDarkStar]

I got you FAM!

@IDarkStar

5 Con:

• 500P = 539.5%

• 300P/200S = 531%

• 250P/250S = 523.85%
• 200P/300S = 506.65%

And…

@IDarkStar

50 Con:

• 450P = 500.5%

• 300P/150S = 493%

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• 450P/5S = 490.83%
• 250P/200S = 490.05%
• 350P/100S = 485.85%

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• 400P/50S = 468.15%
• 200P/250S = 477.05%

• 150P/300S = 454%

Of course the numbers are subjective but your total Base damage Modifier percentage between 500 Dex and 300/200 Dex/int is 8.5% difference while and a 46.5% difference when running 50 con 450 Dex vs 300/150 musket.

Of course the numbers are subjective and arbitrary when comparing two different weapons that have different weapon base damages to begin with, but it’s an alright reference of stat split difference of power.

[HagenZ]

I also get accused on a regulat basis and I don’t.

Definitely some do use it, but very few and I only see muskets. How should that even work with a bow. You shoot where you think your target will go, not where it is.