(Bow Rant) Animation cancels

Stop being aggressive.
I am playing bow myself and I have stated multiple times that this issue must be fixed.
But not by jumping!
Do you even read before getting angry? Or do you just not understand what you read?

Absolutely. Like a self inflicted stun. It is ridiculously bad.

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I dont even understand where the problem is, why they do not just simply fix it.
Firestaff, gauntlets, lifestaff, they can fire and move just fine.
Make the same for the bow and all is good.

I apologize - it’s hard to stay calm after the numerous beatings the bow took.
Their “balance” approach has been reactionary and I’m blaming the clueless non-bow-players who cried over weeks on forums about the bow and now we’re here. Partially blaming Xar for that stupid video as well, since most non-dex players jumped onto it and kept spamming it in the forums. Now DEX feels pointless unless you run medium.

I’m glad the remaining bow mains are trying to get the DEVs attention though, this has been ignored by them for too long. Not ONCE did they address the state of the bow in their videos - apart from that one balancing guy who went “jump cancel bad, arrow fire rate too high”. Must be that dude (forgot the name) that wants bow to be a static turret, immovable on every shot.

Frustration at this point, added to all the other stuff going wrong with the game, makes me lash out whenever I see folks type anything about bow that the devs might misunderstand (e.g. “jump cancel exploit” instead of “why are they jumping tho”).

F*ck man, I thought I can enjoy bow no matter the nerfs, but i’s just terrible now. Gotta reroll like everyone else I guess.

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not sure if you need to read this, but you’re not alone.
A lot of us feel the same.
Hang in there, there must be something good coming for us at some point. (reroll, make a different build and go derp around, why not, gets you some expertise with other builds / point of views - and come back if and when the bow gets a buff / balance patch)

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Thank you for this answer! All good, I understand very well.
And I have to admit that I am thinking about playing something other than bow more and more too.
I actually started as GA/Hatchet player, but switched to bow (don’t like playing meta).
Now I am thinking about switching again. Mage is probably overall the best option, but I never enjoyed playing mage, in no game ever. Also my wife already does that.
Hard times for us bow players. Probably I just stick with it and hope for the best.

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They removed the need to anim-cancel the dodge for everyone, and I’m loving it.
The transition roll-run could be improved for sure, there’s a bit of sliding still (it’s better than the previous ptr version tho). Personally, I really don’t get how some people can say bow is trash, bad, etc. To me, it’s still great.

Not sure if this helps, but spear rapier light does the trick for me, as well as bow spear, light. Give them a try (less ivnestment to switch, and still quite a lot of fun)
Spear: skewer, perforate, vault kick or sweep as per preference.
300 dex, 200 con
Give this a go and see how you like it, if you feel like it.

EDIT: i replied to the wrong post, lol, my bad

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That one other bow user is me right :smiley: AshenDragon here who you?

Did the archers in medieval get stuck in place after shooting or could they move around freely?

They sped up pillar of fire animation so they didnt have to dodge cancel out of it and you can dodge out of burnout untill the last few frames before you go. No idea why they have a problem with bow having animation canceling

Those of us that are bow mains from the start of the game till now will fight for the bow to be a good balanced weapon that feels how the bow should feel untill we cannot type no more, I see alot of the same people in bow threads, so we are here with you my guy till the last arrow.

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well, Its everything that they did to it, We have gotten i think 5 nerfs in a row at this point but every single one has just made the bow clunkier other than the rain of arrows area nerf, i think that was justified. The bow hits very low on anything medium to heavy, wouldnt be so much of a problem if we had mobility and a faster fire rate. everyone who has complained about the bow’s “high damage” was a non bow player hit by a charged heavy hit, the bow should have high damage as your not hitting every hit, unless your literally cracked out of your mind but you cant balance a weapon based off the top %

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Name is the same, havn’t gotten on much in the last three weeks, as the game is unplayable for me with lag and dsync. Fought in a couple lag wars and gave it up. Was wishing this patch was gunna do something but its still just as bad. Green Gang, usually trolling around with car ideas at duel gate.

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Remember like the first patch they put out in Sept they ninja nerfed the velocity so you had to re learn the bow all over again? Ya know the patch that introduced all the engine problems the game has. Started the lag wars trend. Can we just go back to the game that was?

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Oh my god, the good ol’ days back when you could
Actually fire the bow and know your arrow is going bottom left of the reticle
Insta pen/poison shot for follow up shots

the good old days

The changes that I remember are: nerf to the fast combo light/penshot, nerf to crit dmg (affected all weapons), jump-cancel (deserved, it allowed faster rate of fire and was ridiculous to look at), concussion (this was a fix not a nerf, I felt it ofc, but still…). Of these I mentioned, the first one is probably the one I felt the most, but the others really didn’t chage bow dramatically, and they didn’t made bow “trash” like someone claims. Remember the drama some people made for the jump? Calling bow “unplayable”? What changed really in the end? The mobility on bow is not a real issue to me, and after this last patch it’s even better. Light roll+hearthy+nimble+evade shot, that’s what I use, I can get out of almost anything (roots are obviously an issue), and I don’t even use rapier. Talking about damage, this is too subjective I think, because there’s gear involved. I’m 613, Lazarus bow (617), my damage is absolutely not low. They could probably rise a bit the damage on heavy, but on light and medium it’s fine. The only problem I have is with muskets players. If they got GOOD aim, there’s nothing you can do (unlsee ofc you get a couple lucky crits).
I get that for many players bow is probably a love/hate thing, after all it’s one of the hardest weapon to use, it’s a hit and/or miss. But for me, bow playstyle is just fun. I have other setups and I play them from time to time, but in the end nothing satisfies me like shooting a penshot through a group of people or getting that “lucky” killshot on someone.
The are only two things I would change on bow: splinter shot (awful, pointless ability) and heavy attacks (it takes too much time to charge it, absolutely not worth it).
Just my opinion of course.

Splinter shot has its uses, especially if you specifically mained its usage and If they just changed heavy attacks to a charge system such as no hold = 0% and full charged = 100% they did it so however long you held the arrow is how much of the damage towards the now heavy does.

A reason people say the bow is trash right now is becuase there is little risk reward its just risk at this point. There is a delay to the fast combo, first animation cancel taken out, now we have .33 second roots every time we fire which leaves us open to attacks (especially now with every single weapon other than us getting animation cancels for thier light attacks and what is going on with the light roll gliding). We found how to jump cancel because they tried to take skill expression out of the bow so we found another way, they keep taking skill expression out of the bow, from smooth to clunk.

I myself have a 625 Laz bow with a 623 GS so I Personally am seeing the high point of damage possible as i also run 490 dex(Glass cannon for life) and i still crit tanks for 600-1k and mediums for 1.3-2.5 and lights for (havent actually fought another light armor user in a while so idk off the top of my head, probably more near 3-4k) Damage should be high as it takes a decent amount of skill to hit more than 1 arrow in a row as 1 pot can heal more than one of our arrows.

One of our ultimate perk’s is borderline useless as whom is aiming at the legs. the 20% damage nerf(yes im calling it a nerf) would have been fine if we got something in return, such as fire rate making the skill expression still have the ability to be shown.

I do understand where you are coming from @Diego5 but for me the bow playstyle is not just for fun, it is fun of course, but it’s the labor of my love for the game.

(This last part is just my personal rant and not a rant towards the message i am replying to)
My biggest rant with the bow is the fact that they have taken the skill cap and ability to express skill with it down substantially, and that I do not think that the bow has any representation on the moderator or dev team so there is not much we can do about it but post here.

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It is even worse. Actually we are even rooted when only aiming and not shooting.
Every time you aim your bow you are rooted in place, unable to do anything at all.

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When im on tomorrow I have to see what you mean but if this is right then i’ll somehow be more sad actually.