You refuted absolutely nothing, youāre just denying objective facts dodging points and stating obvious lies.
.25s Root doesnāt keep someone in place. Reap is bugged if you take the root passive. Gravity Well and Charge are GAās best catch skills.
Bloodlust is only 1.3m, thatās two dodges and a DPS loss compared to Mauler.
WH has limited range and requires you to more or less be on top of someone, itās more an anti-melee tool than anti-range. Path of Destiny is readable and easily dodged at more than 1m.
Care to share some against a GOOD player? Not just a range demonstration with no scenario?
I mean look how ridiculous it is, there is no way you see this and the way heās teleporting every lights attacks and still acts like the lunge insāt opā¦
(its not my video, but it took me 10s to find what you call a āreal proofā)
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This is a hit reg thing. When someone repostes, I typically answer with WH Shockwave or get a bit of distance and Gravity Well them. Again having to blow CDs to counter CDs, thatās pretty balanced.
Good players will bait the reposte, again I linked to Studeee and he explains how to do that. All the GOOD mages I play against know how to bait and wait till Iām trying to get stacks up to riposte me. In the heat of large scale PvP you donāt have as much time to react. Again where you and many OP start spewing 1v1 scenarios or small scale pvp, which will never be balanced.
If your choosing to play a ranged class, your goal is to keep people at ranged. If a GA is pushing you, that means your front line has fallen or you need to kite back into other teammates so you can focus him down.
If melee can get ontop of you and stay there, they should win, utilize range or donāt play a ranged class.
Again your showing a 1v1 duelā¦ show me in WAR or coordinated OPR. Not some joke 1v1.
That mage player is bad.
He had plenty of time to bait, he could of tombād earlier to avoid alot of damage. He completely whiffed his ice shower. He didnāt even use Incenerate. He also just spammed his dodges instead of using them to iframe the hits.
Overall that mage lacks reading. He didnāt try to bait anything and when he saw that charge coming, he could have perfectly showered him there in the 2nd fight. There is just so much he could of done that he just didnāt. Again he only dodge canceled once in the first fight, 1-2 times in the 2nd one.
Nice imaginary seven-step plan to counter left click spam. 
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Imagine replying with no real evidence other than to state left click spam in a 1v1 duel.
Evidence is literraly in first few seconds of the video.
Come on man I donāt care about that mage, look at the frame at 00:19ā¦ We canāt even see the GA user and he teleports on the mage just by left clickingā¦ Just be serious one minute, I donāt care about GA damage, its very good and all in AOE, it has really good spells, good mobility, lifesteal but iām fine with all of it but this lunge? It has no place in the game
Cleave, not AOE, majority of GAās damage is only front facing.
This is due to cleave, again when your melee against other melee in a melee ball. Again why I keep saying provide scenarios in WAR or OPR in a coordinated play. Not just someoneās 1v1 or where someone let a melee get in their face.
Again this is why I brought up FS/Rapier and not FS/IG. Rapier is a melee counter weapon. IG got nerfed, the strength of IG is in catching people in your Storm/Wall, which he failed multiple times. He also kited away from his wall in that 2nd fight instead of light dodge canceling behind it.
Again show me in a war or OPR. 1v1 will never be balanced and if we ever get 3v3 or 5v5 arenaās there will be clear winners. The whole of PvP is focused around large scale pvp.
If this was an āOpen Worldā situation, why would you fight a melee on equal ground. I would get on top of a rock and make him have to chase me up it, use Incenerate to knock him off, etc. Again very specific 1v1 scenarios being used here, not indicative of general pvp in the game.
The GA user is so far you almost canāt see him (bottom right of the screen, under the fire staff abilities) and yet he get hit by a single light attack??? No way you can think its reasonable, the lunge removes the whole concept of dodging/spacing in the game.
And if weāre strictly speaking about Wars, you can nerf the lunge distance by half and it would not change anything since in these melee brawls you donāt need it anyway.
Unfortunately this wonāt get the traction it deserves because it seems like 60-70 percent of player base use GA/WH thatās why there are so many in here talking about use your kit better, spec this, donāt take this fight yada yadaā¦ the same ones that were crying about life staff but didnāt take the time to look at their kits for cc abilities and stuns. They will do all they can to hide behind skill differences or matchups when itās convenient to them and we al already know that GA/WH players are the loud majority.
This combo needs a nerf, just like LS and heavy did.
Right there with you, mate.
Day 349. Bring back stagger.
Good luck getting a response!
So then the 0 CD, 0 cost, auto gapcloser LMB spam click AoE of GA should be nerfed to the ground?
-.- you make me want to do a facepalm emote when not putting actual thought into a comment, i apologize for saying this but think for a moment.
what is important for this game is not today, or tomorrow, but what it is heading towards.
if you without reason try to cling to something you are very well aware of is brokenly over powered if not game breaking then you are only pushing the game towards its early demise.
GA, WH and any aoe should have a balance that doesnt make it a default choiceā¦ i enjoy those too i can be honest to say but when i swap from those to a secondary weapon it feels like downgrading.
the great axe has passive movement speed, something most weapons only get as a few second boost for doing a certain action.
it has overwhelming crowd control as it covers a large area with a root dealing damage and with gear bonus results in healing making it a sweet heal in large cluster fights. oh and it is ranged without the need to aimā¦
it even comes with a lunge that lets you move even faster than only with the mobility buff. and on top of it all it has the highest damage from an ability.
the war hammer is in a similar situation although slightly below the axe in value it makes up with that by having more aoe and cc.
i do not want to sound condescending but if we compare their abilities with other weapons the difference is too wast.
we could take the trap from muskets trapper treeā¦ it only roots 1 target and only if they step within it, it deals no damage by itself and is shorter than the axe aoeā¦ it is a 1v1 tool, which doesnt work on larger targets.
or lets take the executionā¦ which could be compared to ācoup de graceā which has the same meaning but is the spear thrusting downā¦ that ability does 150% damage, of if we take the rotation 225%, the execution without taking double the time does in 1 move 200%, if target is below 50% then its 300% if target is below 30% then it is a guaranteed crit. while the spear does not gain empower, the axe does that on basic attacksā¦ it even gets 20% passive reduction and free grit for heavy attacks along with a light root/pull added on heavy attacks.
(without applying any of the damage buffs from other talents execute literally does 450% weapon damage before accounting for crit which is increased in talents by 10% and can be increase by 11% from weapon perk on top of great axes already having the highest base crit modifierā¦)
the axe & hammer attacks are all swings which hit a larger scope than any other weapon.
i am asking youā¦ in what way is any other weapon comparable to those two ?
Calm down as you completely missed the point of my comment.
I was pointing out how ridiculous GA currently is, as it has both the damage and built-in gap closers to have uptime on the target(s) to easily apply it.
Mostly everybody can see it except the GA/WH users on an ego trip.
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Get gud bad great axe player.
Btw I mained great axe until it got ridiculous this last patch.
Great axe so ez. Crutch for noobs.
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GREAT AXE HAS BEEN NERFED. REJOICE!!
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no u
Thanks for the work youāve done and your patience, Iāll support this threadā¦the way Amazon ignores GA/WH discussion threads deserves special attention, the funny thing is that one dude created a thread asking for a musket and bow to be refined, and Amazon replied to him hours later, although he didnāt even bring an argument, just complaintsā¦
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