100%. And I say this as a fire mage. Flamethrower feels as cheesy as Void Blade, requiring no skill to use.
It should never do more damage than ranged Light & Heavy Attacks that one must land consistently.
What I mean is NW has zero content like RBG’s from WoW, hence you can’t compare the two in my opinion.
Wars are not competitive, there is no ranking system. Wars are a 50 vs. 50 zergfest where individual skill matters almost nothing.
I would personally rate a casual 1800 RGB/Arena player more highly than any EF/WW owner and I have the goddamn EF and WW owner Title myself.
Now that’s not per se a bad thing, NW is currently just a casual game and that has its positive things . But you can’t take wars in this game seriously imho, not even mentioning the clownfiesta that is OPR.
Edit: I mean, I watched some of the wars on twitch. And I was amazed how all in chat and the caster were praising the stamina management of the bruisers PoV, they said one of the best in the world. Not depleting your stamina is considered the highest a player can achieve in this gamemode, how sad that is. Had a chuckle out of it atleast.
Having an 1800 rating or 1800 rated team in RBGS is far more difficult than putting together a successful war group in NW honestly.
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Lol really? The pvp in this game is so bad that I rather go almost any other mmo to experience pvp.
What’s keeping this game alive are the grinders, the trade skills are whats keeping the game alive, its by far the best part of the game
I love your type bud. Doesn’t read what I was responding to, opens with a rhetorical question that is tangentially related to try and link the two. Then proceeds to do…counter math?
Okay, let’s start at the top.
No. What I said was the maximum possible number of territory owners there could be because when the previous poster says this is a pvp based mmo because of territory owners (which you’d know if you read).
No, no it shouldn’t. Because even using your own words, “efficiently”, that already takes anyone under level 60 off the table (not including the other limitations that would come in)
And before anyone goes “who the fuck would want a sub 60 on their war roster?” – listen, this is his math. Not mine.
this part just has me giggling because you couldnt just say rbgs, you had to try to slide in the comparison 2400 with absolutely 0 basis, really for either claim,outside of…theyre both groups of people?
Genuinely curious how you relate the two in the slightest as in this youre premise is based off your assumption being true but with no discerning proof that it is. So before we go making crazy assumptions, let’s start at step one. How are those two remotely similar?
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If we had a PvP system more focused on skill it wouldn’t be so, in fact, now it’s even worse, who is going to bring someone other than GS625 into a war?
100000% agree with you.
That’s why it is my personal opinion launch pvp was some of the best pvp. Being able to contend someone 10 levels up on you by pure skill was phenomenal, sure if they hit you it trucked the shit outta you…but fuck me, it was pretty damn satisfying.
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Oh how I miss the days of melee stagger.
It was such a splendid system where both vertical progression and player skill mixed beautifully.
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It was by far the best time in the game, killing the abuser several levels higher was priceless.
I disagree. The organization required to consistently get 50 people online and trying to win for you (every 2-3 days with no second chances) has caused so many govs in companies ive been in to quit. If you arent in supple or maybe some of the eu companies, this applies to you.
For every person on the roster i swear there are two more with that build who want to flame you for slotting the “worse guy”
I dont think 1800s in rbg is harder skill wise either. Ive farmed that on plenty of alts and its typically pretty easy to pug.
Launch pvp was bugged - resil granted 25% damage reduction which favored voidbent users (primarily melee) unfairly.
And no, you are still wrong. I am in a company with territory ownership and i can tell you there are dozens of people involved in managing those resources. He said territory ownership is everything and you said .9% of people get to do that. Its the most narrow definition possible to fit your very biased argument. Not convincing at all and still less accurate than what i wrote. Wars (both rosters), owning consuls, and owning officers are part of territory ownership for anyone arguing in good faith.
Dont believe me because it doesnt suit you - thats fine. The entire topic is designed to troll anyway.
Bruh. I was also there. Nobody in their right fucking mind would tell you pvp has improved since theyve moved away from skill based pvp. Them fucking with the scaling was one of the many reasons pvp became more gear based than skill based.
Homie has the fucking audacity to call me out for arguing in bad faith after dropping this in here? My dude. Bold. Dumb as fuck. But bold and I like it.
Anyone who enjoys competitive pvp would tend to agree it was most competitive when gear mattered the least (read: I didnt say didn’t matter,just had much less an influence)
Neat. I’ve been in them too. Youre not coming in with some unique insight here bud.
I said .9% get to be an owner of a territory because…at any one time, based on those steam chart numbers, that was the amount able to be an owner of a territory.
Now here I must apologize, we clearly have gotten our wires crossed somewhere. It’s not relevant to me if youre convinced at all. Rather presumptuous of you to assume your opinion is as important to me as it is to you, don’t you think? And before you say “well i could say the same to you”. Oh, I know. But, from your inability to read what i was replying to in the beginning that was a bit obvious from the start.
Thanks for the giggle. Lets take a look at this then…
If this is the argument for New World being a pvp focused game because territory control involves “dozens of people” in managing resources…
Uhhh…yall motherfuckers need to play an actual pvpmmo. Where pvp is baked into the game, not a layer thrown overtop of it.
Also, when are we going to attempt to explain this one? Kinda still waiting to see any relation
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25% damage reduction for predominantly melee is the best the game has ever been.
SURE. Maybe thats just the last time you got into a war.
The .9% territory ownership number is just as useless of a statistic as when you first posted it. Its 7% minimum if every server has 100 war slots (no server likes this). In reality probably 15% of the population wars regularly.
You misinterpretted his post at best and if you do wars you already knew what he was talking about. Nobody cares who sits as the governor if they cant own the territory for a full pay period without dozens of people cooperating with them. Group effort.
Youre still arguing in bad faith and insulting people because they disagree with you.
So yes. You care about my opinion a lot. Keep typing.
P.S. rbgs are group pvp. Maybe dont be a coward and present your own ideas instead of trying to tear people down 
Again, calling me out for arguing bad faither when you come out with this.
Why would I care about the opinion of someone who genuinely believes this is the only reason pvp was good on launch? You realized that was fixed and pvp was good before they fucked scaling and made it less skill based. Like what? Did you even pvp at launch?
Fucking ironic and i love it. God your lack of self awareness is great. Thank you.
Huh? If that’s why you think I’ve insulted you well just like the rest of this conversation youve missed the mark hard bud.
Ill break it down, I’m insulting you because I don’t have any respect for you. I don’t have any respect for you because you came in with your bullshit “Im gunna come in here and defend the boy and call this bad guy out – even though I’m doing the shit I’m accusing him of”. Like if you wanted to make an argument I was arguing in bad faith…don’t go fucking it up by arguing in bad faith yourself. You had no respect for the discussion, so why would I show you any respect? Absolute mook shit 
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Holy fuck. I genuinely expected more. Like, I was actually kind of hopeful we’d get something actual out of this. Dude. Okay. So Wars=RBGS because group pvp.
Guess Wars are like TDM in COD, group pvp.
Guess Wars are like Crucible in Destiny 2, group pvp.
Actually wait, Wars are like 3v3 ranked in Rocket League, group pvp.
See how just because “group pvp” doesn’t mean they are remotely similar. So…
Wanna try that one again?
Oh god, this is adorable. Youre this type through and through. In 2-3 messages you’ll tell me some variation of “stay mad” meanwhile, youre the one getting upset ive been insulting you but sure we totally believe the wannabe cavalier attitude bby 
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P.s. I’m happy to bring this back to the actual conversation.
If you’d rather do this little game we’re doing instead thats cool too, im sure we both got a few more playground insults and plays on words in us. Youre turn I guess if we’re doing that…
I thought we deleted PVP 20 replies into this thread or so? What else do you want from us?!
Its almost as if they nerfed medium and heavy with the dodge+slowed movement but allowed light armor to just get free get out of jail cards as long as they got some stamina.
The pvp meta is an absolute joke.
roll simulator 2021 does not equate to player vs player combat
You could not have proved me more right with this essay of yours.
Rbgs dont = war. What i did was called a comparison. What you did is called strawmanning.
Pvp was NOT better on launch. That was my point. Combat has been bugged and awful since release. If anything it is slightly better now and the bad players are upset because they dont have guaranteed 100-0 combos and busted roots.
P.S. you never gave YOUR comparable to war. Im not defending mine if youre (again) too soft to even put your own ideas out there.
Im unfollowing this so you can stop typing. Ps look at peoples names in other posts if youre going to be a scumbag on the forums.
Youre trying to pop off here and meanwhile asking me my opinions on rapier builds in another thread.
Almost like you care what i think.
Yeah, I think people underestimate how much strong leadership matters in making a good company. Almost strong company that has fallen in the last month has died due to their leadership retiring or taking a back seat for whatever reason. From Willy’s CoS power rankings from a month ago (7/27/22), its currently happening to three of the top five. We’ll see whether they’ll be able to recover from it, but having strong leadership is super crucial to keeping a company together and working towards the same goal despite any internal difference of opinions. Otherwise, its just a friend group.