Did they just make Heavy Healers even worse?

[IDarkStar]

At the end of the day, heavy healers are gonna be squishy as fuck and I’m okay with it.

I felt before they needed an adjustment, a bit of a Nerf. But they’re nerfed all around.

10% less armor from 200 con a negative healing from heavy equip load and the stamina Nerf to everyone’s survivability.

So to be fair, these changes are going to change more factors than we can even begin to theorize in a forum post. Clips from PTR are the only thing we should look at and comment on rather than theories.

Survivability as a whole for everyone was way too high, bruisers gained too much from 200 CON, bruisers with CC did way too much damage for how easy they lived and light armor users were so evasive that even a 5 man fully equipped to deal with a healer that were coordinated still would have trouble killing a good healer.

I watched a healer in my company escape a 5 man death squad that was 100% a healer killer squad and was ran down over half the war and was only killed once or twice. Granted, he was a skilled player, but that’s what should be the focus. Balancing on the skilled side, not the noob side. 3v3 arenas and ranked can help developers know what should be changed because they can focus on high ELO play.

The game has changed and we shall wait and see.

[OmarTheDank]

You should get some PvP skills before calling nerfs. Thanks.

[Woar]

@Zentaragi

You’ll be waiting for a vastly long time because it doesn’t feel like this game’s dev’s have ever genuinely sat down and evaluated the effects of basing balancing SOLELY ON GOD DAMN PVP

Yep, due to the original direction of the game being solely focused as a PvP game, I don’t expect the developers will ever be able to balance the game independently between PvP and PvE.

If they do manage to find a solution then my family and I may revisit the game.

Best Wishes

[Hellpriesto]

Yes they should.

They already can.

Tanking 5+ players consistently and actually doing something meaningful while doing so is a thing of the past.

This is not balancing.

Ez mode is light healing, please get a grip on reality.

[billyd343]

@Paranoid-Thief

It should always take 2 maybe 3 decent players to kill off a healer (a player specifically built to burst kill a healer is the exception) otherwise there’s no chance for aggressive play. Groups will spend more time defending their healer than actually playing objectives. Healers need to have some kind of skill to stay alive, but they also need the opportunity to survive most builds 1v1.

Dude, this just isn’t realistic in arenas… I think you are wrong because you can’t have a build that cannot be killed in a 1v1 scenario in New World with this gameplay style that we have. This is not a regular mmo, and that is what people like about it, and having a heavy healer that is unkillable hurts competitive pvp. The amount of skill it takes a heavy healer to stay alive compared to the amount of skill to bring them down is too lopsided. Every class needs to be able to lose in a 1v1 scenario, and these changes are a step in the right direction. I will admit that they may have gone too far with this nerf, but a nerf was needed and every class should be able to lose in a 1v1 scenario.

[caraota]

@billyd343

This is not a regular mmo, and that is what people like about it, and having a heavy healer that is unkillable hurts competitive pvp

Yes is not a traditional MMO, when was the last time you saw a healer wearing heavy armor with a staff? closest would be Paladin… but that uses sword and board

I would rather ban staff from 1v1 arenas and apply dampening to healing in 3v3 than nerf the heavy healer to oblivion and push healers into the traditional “light” class

I would also balance pvp separately from pve… but we both know that’s not going to happen

[Loviel]

@billyd343

Every class needs to be able to lose in a 1v1 scenario, and these changes are a step in the right direction. I will admit that they may have gone too far with this nerf, but a nerf was needed and every class should be able to lose in a 1v1 scenario.

How does a skilled healer win in a 1v1 scenario?

Do I beacon and orb of protection people to death?

[OmarTheDank]

See, you are trying to reason with a monkey. He wants to kill you in 1vs1, but you can’t kill him, that’s his flawless logic.

[billyd343]

I am not saying that I want to be able to kill you but you can’t kill me… I’m just saying that having a class that is unkillable in arenas hurts competitive pvp. I am light armor, bow and spear player and a good healer can kill me, but not the other way around for heavy healers. The damage done can be decent against light armor and the vg does decent damage as well and the paladin build can be decent as well, but to me, a heavy armor healer does not make much sense in pvp. If I am off base here that is fine, and I am always willing to change my opinion on something, but a lot of people share my opinion on this.

[Zentaragi]

Could you imagine if we had 1v1 kill potential? Forums would be flooded with posts screaming bloody murder that not only do bad players suck at killing healers but dying to them too? It be chaos.

[Kippp]

I think it would be fine. It would be like a support hero in overwatch. If the life staff user couldn’t heal themselves very often (like once every 10-20 seconds) and they did like 80% the damage of a pure damage character it would be fine.

[Iohannes]

Armor type is not the problem and forcing healers to change thier armors they wear to be more tanky by decreasing thier healing even further is not the solution.
The problem is self-healing. As healers can easily heal and overheal damage they recive in 1 vs 1. And the solution is to decrease thier self-healing by 50%. After all, they are healers not self-healers.

[billyd343]

@Kippp

If the life staff user couldn’t heal themselves very often (like once every 10-20 seconds) and they did like 80% the damage of a pure damage character it would be fine.

I played LS and leveled weapon to 20 and I have a full build that I use sometimes and this actually sounds like a fun idea in pvp. I think 20 seconds is too long, but 5-10 seconds would be doable and if they could do more damage this would be a more interesting build to use and more fun to play against. Fighting against a LS user isn’t that fun right now, but it might be too drastic of a change. What do you full time LS users think?

[Suzutai]

I think their fear was a team of three Heavy Healers with 300/200 FOC/CON and SNS just waiting out the Ring of Fire.

Thing is, they can probably have fixed it with more Disease stacks applied progressively over time instead.

[OmarTheDank]

For the love of fucks man, how come that a 3vs3 minigame deserves a full scale PvP/PvE nerf on the only support classes? Please draw it with crayons if you want because at this point I can’t fathom the idea of a new content being so important as to constrain the entire NW universe.

Once again, I’m not trolling, and sorry if I was disrespectful, this got me going for a few days already and I’m done with this, rolling another class and moving on, but next time they want to do a new content, you want your class stripped out of possibilities just to suit a specific new content that diverges very much from the NW original concept? I’m not telling people what and how to play, but getting shafted over a content which I didn’t and don’t care at all, puts me in this situation.

What’s next? Deciding territory ownership over a game of dice, and the highest luck wins, so you have to roll your entire gear AGAIN for luck, when you ditched it long ago, just for the sake of a new idea? They could not balance OPR, they are gutting a lot of stuff around JUST for a 3vs3 game. The original game concept is so far away to come to a reality that they vomit this update all over and call it a win, and people that are not participating in what NW had to offer, like wars and open world PvP, are using it as a casual fortnite to t-bag arena, or will do, but you get the point.

Make it so FOR Arenas, and not based on retarded metrics that who knows where AGS got, or how, knowing all the game flaws, I can only hope it was a shitty query, or something like that. I don’t know, and I don’t understand why the majority here is okay with adapting PvP to a casual 3vs3 minigame, unless the entire game is going that way, so it’s an open world MOBA, and not an RPG. I’m not a PvP hardcore 24/7 player, but I do enjoy it, and build myself around that. Now I have to rebuild, and furthermore, they just made so that my class is just easier to kill, because we don’t even have an offhand weapon that hasn’t been nerfed already.

Well, this is my las rant, I’m done, I get your point, just, arguing this way is unproductive, as this will roll out anyway, so, see you around internet stranger.

[caraota]

@billyd343

What do you full time LS users think?

Give me a build that have same DPS any other class have (in other words: a good pvp healer can fuck you up in 1v1) and take away the self heal (leave only with potions and my the ability to heal others)… do that and we have a deal!!!

[desubot]

imho would love to see a buff and or an upgrade similar to the VG essence rupture(?) the one that when activated heals teammates against enemies hit by that VG ability.

i think that sort of team heal that doesn’t depend on just putting the green circle down would be better for combat.

[caraota]

That could provide a very interesting offensive healer, last time I came across that type of healer it was based on healer’s own dps, and I cam tell you is very interesting and fun in “normal” pve content… but nerve wrecking in pregression/extreme raids because it doesn’t leave much room for errors (due to being a more “sustained” type of healing)

But I guess life staff’s sacred ground could be reworked in such way that it becomes a short-lived AoE that has a weak heal plus a buff component like VG that heal based on hitting enemies that are inside the AoE (the buff have some duration after enemy leaves the area or dome expires)

we could also add healer’s own dps as a way of burst healing (for clutch situations in PvE and maybe PvP too?)

[HeartBreaker]

After making this thread, I decided to make a video about the topic.

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