@Luxendra , alright devs are always saying they want to work with us to find a middle ground.
and up to this point all i was asking is remove the orbs .
then here is a middle ground : Make GEN and LAZ timers daily instead of weekly . and we will accept that .
orb cool downs are a gate. It is a gate for those with less time to play, itâs a gate for those hard pushing. Itâs a gate on endgame content which shouldnât be the case. Drop rates already do that.
I think thatâs a good suggestion, but for now lets see what happens.
I know for a fact though, with the current scaling, even without orbs M10 farming wonât happen for a while and only for the top-end of players.
Itâs a gate to create valueâŚso whatâs your argument here? You also know you get around ~1k gold a run right? People can speed run 10-12min. You thought bots chopping wood/ores were a problemâŚ? Hah!
Also with the reduction in key cost and the ability to buy with faction tokens the cost of âbuying a runâ is likely to drop significantly. Going forward, you are going to get more runs of your favorite Expedition and with any luck at all the legendary drop rates will make it so you donât need to run Gen/Laz 100+ times to get an item you are after.
Hereâs hoping anyway.
@Luxendra - thank you so much for the update! Could you or @Chardis answer the below clarification?
Can you confirm that the changes to Gypsum Orb cooldowns being removed only affects the crafting of the orb itself and not the acquisition of the Gyspum drops? As in, am I still limited to acquiring 2 Ruby Gypsums via OPR per day regardless of the Orb crafting cooldown changes?
Thank you again!
Still gonna take you 100 Portals to get one corrupted lodestone or a very high purchase price.
It wont drop much with it being 1 per week and costing 10k faction credits.
I am just going to imagine the price of selling a Mutated Dungeon which requires both Orbs.
Can you sell ranked up Mutations keys?
That would be interesting if you are selling M10 carries or something crazy like that
It only requires a mutated orb not a vanilla orb
The worst for me is farming the faction tokens. I donât really push pvp missions so itâs an absolute chore to farm even the 30k or so weekly i need.
Sadge 
Can we get at least 3-4 mutation keys / week instead of 2? (1-2 crafted/ 2 from faction vendor).
They should have just made it so you buy 1 Mutation orb a week, but that orb is yours and stays on you. Everyone in your party has to have an orb and the lowest tier is the Mutation level you run.
Each successful clear Raises your Mutation Orb +1
At the swap of the mutation, you need a new key.
Still no way to earn Umbral Shards in Wars/Invasions/OPR or general PvP. You have got to be kidding me. What joke,
I think they missed this thread
lmao
Itâs not about them not seeing it, with the current design you cannot just rip them out.
They would need to re-balance the coin and drops, otherwise weâll all just run 10 Gen runs a day every day pumping legendary items into the market and coin into our pockets. Since they arenât going to rebalance drops this PTR cycle, reduction in cost is the best we getting.
Reducing the cost and making them available from faction tokens is at least a step in the right direction.
How did they figure out people were soloing these? They donât play the game, so who snitched? Guess getting one shotted by the anchor throw wasnât bad enough. Anyone playing the PTR know if they added 20 musketeers to Sirens?
Im not saying tuning orbs about end game expeditions, only until 55. so at least you can exp properly without boring quests.
Ahh bummer, still no update on invasions/war kicking. Back to doing something else.
What value? Dungeons are bad for drops. I and others have run them hundreds of times and havenât even gotten the drops we need. Some people have never even seen items like Will of the Ancients. I havenât even seen a smooth bone ring.
If they add value then it should have decent drop rates. I am not saying it should drop instantly but you shouldnât have to run weeks worth of dungeons to even see an item you are looking for.
Oh for sure, that I am fine with.
Although to be fair, you can make a pretty penny running the earlier expeditions as well