Don't Nerf The Bow

[Juergen]

@Sheno

you have charge, you have reap. What more do you need ? Fly ability’s ?

Charge has 10m range and roots me at the end. Reap has 8m. Bow range is how far?

@Baym

You don’t believe the ranged should be able to win even when the ranged uses range to his or her advantage.

Were did i say that? You cant just randomly put words in my mouth my guy.

@Baym

We all know you win in melee range every time

also got outplayed often enough from a Spear.

@Baym

Now you want to be able to win even when the ranged is using all of his her abilities at range to engage the fight. You have gap closers, but that isn’t enough. You want an I Win button.

I want the chance to counterplay nothing more nothing less. My gapclosers? Charge and Reap is combined 18m. Claw Shot is 14m which netted a whole 32m which is 1/3 of the effective range of a Bow. So the i win button called equip Bow? j/K I dont know why youre so upset lol

@Baym

. Never mind that you had to exaggerate to make your argument, like suggesting the distance is so vast that you have no skill to close that distance, ignoring you actually have many skills to close that distance.

further up in my Post

@Baym

e. You just want more. You could use shield to block. You could use blunderbuss to claw shot. You could use reap. You could dodge and throw off aiming. But yes a new Q skill should be “Ranged Shall Appear in Front of my Swinging Ax”.

So since when can we Equip 3 weapons again? So i Block with my Shield while i Charge into Blunderbuss and then Reap! OK got it thanks!

@Baym

As for detection of a ranged player, is the Neon Tag over his or her head not enough for you? You even have direction as the projectiles or spells have a trace for Godsake. Would a gigantic yellow arrow suffice?

idk where this comes from never said that dont care did never care

@Baym

The ranged attacker (musket mage or bow) has to worry when he or she moves about detecting you and staying out of melee range or it is insta-death, but apparently you need more skills.

are 100m not enough? 100m of dishing out giga damage. It seems all the ranged players want that a headshot kills the target instantly. You have so much mobility paired with damage. See what i did there?

I dont know where that hate towards me is coming from since i never said a single thing that you hold against me but i dont want Bow to die. I just dont like it that i in full heavy have no chance to even move towards or away from a bow. Or that you have to gear towards Physical Aversion and gems against them + use the right weapon. Smaller the Hitbox so that good players are still strong but the bad players arent.

[bottemtext]

@Baym

We all know you win in melee range every time

this is bs and you know it

@Baym

Now you want to be able to win even when the ranged is using all of his her abilities at range to engage the fight.

CC has gotten weaker making keeping someone in melee range harder as well as light armor easily creating enough distance at the press of a button not to mentioned it combined with rapier.

@Baym

You want an I Win button

you have an i win button its called rapier

@Baym

ignoring you actually have many skills to close that distance

sure but you need quite a few then what you gonna use to keep them there or do damage auto aren’t gonna cut it. Also light is the only armor type that makes you faster by dodging while running making catching up them a challenge even with gap close.

@Baym

You could dodge and throw off aiming

i only have so many dodges and if I’m zig zagging(which I due anyways) it makes me slower meaning I’m not getting closer while relying on how shit the other player is.

@Baym

The ranged attacker (musket mage or bow) has to worry when he or she moves about detecting you and staying out of melee range or it is insta-death,

once agian bs and you know it unless mean standing there and allowing them to swing on you.

[Juergen]

“2k penetrating shot” (was a heavy attack btw)

[mmiracle]

Why people in heavy armor are even trying to chase light dex players?

Ignore them, sit on point in a sacred ground and enjoy fighting other melees - that’s your role.

Heavy should be strong in melee fights, so that light equip load simply can’t trade with a heavy guy.

If you want to be able to kill light dexxers - play a light armor assassin build and prioritize gap closing abilities instead of AOE (reap vs maelstrom).

BOW NEED HITBOX/FIRE RATE TWEAKS, SOMETHING IN BETWEEN PRE AND POST BUFF. DO NOT NERF PEN SHOT, IT WAS LIKE THAT FOR AGES AND BOW ITSELF HAS NO OTHER UTILITY

AGS logic is weird to me:

Bow is bad, we need to buff it, OK!

• buff hit box
• buff fire rate
  Damn, now it’s too strong?
  Ok, we overturned it. We need to make it less strong.

• nerf penetration and poison shot

???
???

[Juergen]

@mmiracle

Why people in heavy armor are even trying to chase light dex players?

Should i just die cause hes LA and im in HA? Dafuq is that logic?

@mmiracle

Ignore them, sit on point in a sacred ground and enjoy fighting other melees - that’s your role.

You can not ignore them they do to much damage

@mmiracle

Heavy should be strong in melee fights, so that light equip load simply can’t trade with a heavy guy.

its not. HA is trash right now

@mmiracle

If you want to be able to kill light dexxers - play a light armor assassin build and prioritize gap closing abilities instead of AOE (reap vs maelstrom).

People are all about fair pvp and no all of a sudden its “well you play the wrong type of armor” no everything should kinda be able atleast defend themselfes.

[Annihilation]

@Sheno

• Don’t remove the stagger

lmaoo… no. that needs to go away…

NERF THE BOW, everyone here that doesnt want the nerf is just a bow player that want their weapon to stay broken op .

[mmiracle]

If a HA player is able to stand still and ignore LA bow shooting at him in 1v1 u think is balanced?

Add healing circles on top of that, add maelstroms eating projectiles, iframes eating pen shots, oblivion with crazy stamina regen which means more iframes, crazy fortify and don’t forget gemstone/oakflesh.

Heavy user > > > bow user in OPR/wars as there you need to cap points.
Bow is 3rd worst weapon in arenas.

They said bow is super good in OPR? In terms of stat padding - yes. Does it have 90% win rate? No.

I know it’s frustrating when a HA user can’t do anything again a LA bow in an open field. Not
possible to run away and not possible to close gap and fight.

Balancing is hard, maybe then need to add some sort of haste ability to HA to give it more mobility in open field. For example free haste potion/free cleanse potion aka 4th ability they can activate with adequate CD.

[POTUS]

mmiracle in here spittin truth

[Juergen]

Its not like its 2+v 1 bow lol
Just make HA actually Tanky without having to have a Pockethealer

[kevinwu57]

@Peluk

Nullifying Oblivion: now recharges Oblivion 5…9.8…14% faster. (No longer removes limited duration buffs from enemies).

• Nullifying Oblivion: now recharges Oblivion 5…9.8…14% faster. (No longer removes limited duration buffs from enemies).
  thats a buff, it removes buff and got CD reduction in next patch

[DickSlap]

@igor.castro.nogueira

My dude, you can whine and moan all you want, your weapon will get nerfed either you want it or not. You’ll just have to learn how to actually play the game, now i don’t need to convince you from that because you’re a healer, so you can just look at the devs video and start panicking because you’ll have to learn how to play the game properly.

this is what you need to say to you my bowboy, you are getting nerfed, and you deserve that nerf, and it will not be the last one, the aiming tgt will be reduced too so only bow users with aim and skill will remain, you should be happy

[bottemtext]

thats a 4.8k hit

[igor.castro.nogueira]

@DickSlap

the aiming tgt will be reduced too so only bow users with aim and skill will remain, you should be happy

No idea what tgt means, but honestly if it is hitbox i’m quite happy since i suggested it multiple times. Then again i’m looking foward for this, so we can move on to balancing other weapons as well.

Such as lifestaff.

[HagenZ]

@Annihilation

everyone here that doesnt want the nerf is just a bow player that want their weapon to stay broken op .

I am a bow player. I stopped playing bow 2 weeks after the buff, because it is broken OP. No fun.
But I don*t want the changes they are making now. I want the hitbox buff reverted.

[Sheno]

dude u made a post saying to buff the musket. Cmon u have 0 knowledge dude. You made like 5 posts crying about the bow already.

[Soluss]

Hes cried about almost every weapon

[Sheno]

thats a fact

[orewa]

ags is ridiculous. Instead of nerfing things like the arrow hitbox they instead nerf the max skill ceiling. Using a stagger properly required skill.

Now they nerfed the bow gj, but you also reduced the maximum brain cells needed to play it at its maximum potential, you need to know when to use it properly. ( time it for sword and shield jumps, or time it for healers about to heal animation, or time it for firemages starting the burn out skill ). Nerfing the poison dmg is understandable, even, nerfing the poison duration or poison area radius is understandable.

But removing a mechanic that requires skill? They clearly do not play their game. Just another shitty decision, they are slowly turning the game into childish IQ skills needed game.

But hey im gonna have another easy to hit explosive arrow skill LOL, everyone will, im no longer gonna be able to have an advantage over other people who do not use penetrating arrow effectively because it requires some braincells, not a lot, but some.

[Hoolagun]

I never got the reason behind penshot stagger nerfs. Maybe i missed it.

Ive said it before somewhere in this thread but because its lost in this mess ill say it again.

Even if i get hit with penshot, never have i thought “damn nerf this”
im more concerned with the damage i took than the stagger.

Considering it has always been there, it’s logical to assume its only been brought to everyone attention because of bows general overuse.

Addressing that first could fix the frequency at which you experience the pen shot.
And it might not even be an issue after.

[Kamo_Chameleon]

Dude I wrote two posts before these changes saying not to buff bows by increasing the hit box. That it was a good weapon in skilled hands and if they buff the hitbox it will mean every man and his dog will use it, which will inevitably lead to nerfs on dmg or other areas since they won’t revert hit box changes. Sure enough…that is exactly what has happened. Everyone told me I was been stupid so I’m happy about been proven right.

As for the stagger I agree it’s a non-issue unless 20 people with bows are all staggering you at the same time. Don’t understand why they can’t have some high skill weapons in the game.