I like the 1 war per player per day option. Even if all of the sweaty try-hards have alt accounts it still limits the number of wars that can be kept exclusive to the top 150 players on a server.
I also think they should change the way that territory influence works for war declares. Make it a function of how much work you put it, without the diminishing returns, and you get rid of one of the main purposes of shell companies. So instead of 10% chance for pushing 10% and 20% chance for pushing 30%, just make it a 10% chance for every 10% you push. So if you push 80%, you have an 80% chance of getting a declare. That means everyone can stay in one company and push to try to get the declare without having to mess around with shell companies. Combine that with a company switch cooldown (or being ineligible for war for 48 hours if you switch companies) and the previously mentioned 1 war per day limit, and you’ve solved most of the shell company problems.
Then you set an Alliance system where companies can have an alliance with up to 4 other companies in their faction, and can only pull for their war roster from those allies. And for an alliance to form, they all have to have the same siege times for any territories they hold. It should be easy enough to hold a single territory, but it should be much harder to hold multiple, and it should be impossible to control an entire map.
This might get rid of the war-loggers, but honestly, I won’t mind that. Maybe having the opportunity to participate in wars will help convince more players to come back when they open up Brimstone Sands.
Why not just make the whole vanguard selection a live auction. For the qualifying companies who contributed at least 10%. Each company gets to participate in an auction that starts at 10k gold. The system collects bids and notifies qualified companies who can then increase the bid again or bow out. The highest bid wins.
The money which the winner ends up paying to be vanguard is paid equally to all the participants of the companies whom didn’t win the vanguard.
So theirs the incentive to want to win so you can earn tax money but also to participate so you can make gold and maybe not push as hard for vanguard hoping to get the money.
Also you should be able to pay for these declares and bids out of your own gold rather than the company wallet if you participated in a push and your company was eligible even if you aren’t a company officer.
I did miss that Hiply or I responded before you clarified. No matter. The problem with only members from that company being allowed to attack/defend is that you are now favoring companies that have 50+ people. A company with say 30 people could war dec, but if they won the war dec, there would be 20 empty spots. That just seems like another gate on content, in this case one effecting companies with less than 50 people.
I do applaud you for trying to solve the problem. There is a solution somewhere. Keep at it.
didnt read all to the end maybe there was already idea like im going to give now.
1st. make that only the company who got teritory and the one that got to attcke they memebers cna participate only.
2nd. make coold down between joining companys after leaving or kicking.
3rd. Make aliance type thing where few guild can merger into aliance but not loose the guilds name etc. but alliance would also share same timings on war.
The issue with allowing people from other Companies to participate in War is that this will automatically benefit shell-Companies once again. So, Companies with less than 50 members that would like to participate on wars would have to hire more members.
IMHO AGS should set up fixed war times.
For instance, Wars will happen every Tuesday and Thursday, 8pm local time.
Since you cant be in two places at the same time:
(i) more people would have access to Wars
(ii) companies would prioritize territories even more, making it easier for smaller companies to conquer other cities;
(iii) more gold flowing between companies, as a result of B. Less money concentration = better for the game
It doesn’t have to be all or nothing, for example:
You could make it a percentage - or a lower cap than 50. You could say 60-70% need to be from the company…or 35-30…and let the rest be filled from within the faction or they sit empty. The intent should be to force the shell companies out of the game.
Is there some company size threshold below which this would make settlement ownership impossible? Yes. Is that a bad thing? It may just be the cost for marginalizing shell companies.
agreed. Wars are the only semi serious PVP we have in NW. Outposts and Arenas wont be taken seriously until rankings/rewards are created.
If Amazon keeps the system as is, how are new players ever supposed to get in a War?
AGS has nothing to lose by doing this, but only to gain. More people involved in end game activities = bigger player base.
But the companies being outbid are being paid gold when they lose. Eventually they will have the gold to win the bid or they are being compensated by being paid for losing.
I don’t like the fixed window because it causes groups of people who play late night or earlier to be at a disadvantage. The real problem is how you can hold a territory under a shell company and anyone can help defend that territory. Limiting how many wars someone can be in makes more sense as it prevents the same people participating in stagered wars to the same effect without making it only ideal for people who happen to play during the declared window AGS chooses as the universal time slot.
Alternatively, wars could be made up of squirmishes instead of being one big war. Maybe you have squirmishes that are completely random mix of players using the war format in the hours leading upto the war. Like 2 hours of squirmishes and then the war. Have the outcomes of the squirmishes determine the starting conditions for the wars themselves.
Maybe you lose 5 slots from your side of the war based on the outcomes of the random squirmishes that took place before.
So folks have alts on same server due to merging and other have 2nd accounts. Company hopping is not something that needs to addressed. Breaking up shell companies control is something that is very hard to get around because of the two issues i already listed. Yet there is a simple solution that will help combat it. Company only wars which will force people to join companies to get into wars instead of sitting in solo member companies and shell companies. Now for those who want to merc for a company sure there can be an option for that where the Company pays them via the war board for their efforts allowing the Attacking/Defending Company to open up a merc (up to 10) slot for a set about of coin. I would say about 5k per slot (+3k for out of Faction) would be a fair starting point. Now this could develop into interCompany Faction standing. This new process would show your standing to those of the company you are aiding. So after X numbers of wars your standing could grown and grant discounts for you slot if accepted. It could even get to the point when you look at the war board you could see the cost of each ally and their cost to slot them. Now at this point you have to have at least 40 company members to go to war and that would help (not fix) break up shell companies
I love this idea - It could be done if we could instance the pvp system so that it would work like OPR - Only Company A vs Company B could join this que and do a 5-10 man street fight in a Instance based version of the town. The Objective would be to steal company documents from the governor table and escape as well as from other locations in town. Or you could have someone on one team hold that item and attempt to keep it away from the attackers for a 15 min window. This event would happen every night leading up to the fight and only during the siege window. Then either side would get either 1-7% Empowered (attackers) or Fortify(defenders) for each time they were successful
If what you say is true, that would happen now. But it doesn’t, does it?
Most people actually have a life IRL. It’s actually hard for companies to even muster 50 people.
These shell companies have already poached the no-lifers. They are certainly in the minority compared to the rest of the player base.
On top of that the defending company can choose to set the war window at some stupid time (often to overlap system maintenance even). During Christmas, people were asking for a Christmas break for example – because people have a life.
If New World demands that you cancel your work, social, and relationship schedule, guess who’s sticking around to pay to play something like that?
The best solution to this issue is to not have too many complicated rules around War.
Player influence over Settlements is a single bad design idea that creates so many other issues and exploits and then people fall over themselves trying to make up even more rules to try and make it work but really just keep making it worse.
Just delete all player influence from Settlements. Rework War into something more similar to instanced PvP with higher accessibility similar to OPR.
Remove territory income and create a company leaderboard with weekly/monthly gold incentives.
Upon winning a territory, the territory will generate points for the company towards the leaderboards. Subsequent defenses award more points every period the company holds the territory. Companies only gain points from one territory so in order to get a lead, they will need to break the streaks of others by winning successful attacks.
Companies are limited to one territory so that winning an attack while also already holding a territory would mean the company would need to pick which one they want to keep.
At the end of each leaderboard period, the top companies are awarded gold. How many companies and how much gold is up for discussion. In order to be eligible for the rewards, the company has to be created/registered before the leaderboard period. Players can only choose to war for one company per season.
Open to any suggestions/improvements/critiques. Just throwing ideas around while considering the shelling problem and animosity towards gold income
I took a bit of time yesterday to read through this thread and several others about shell companies in addition to multiple conversations in discord. I organized what I found on a Miro board, which to those not familiar, is basically a virtual whiteboard.
What I’ve noticed is that there are two solutions often suggested:
A Company Roster requirement
A Company Change cooldown
Hopefully, AGS will consider one/some solutions to work towards solving this issue.