Probably you need more than one gear set to run the diffent mutations.
Gear will max drop in 600 but you need it in 625.
I guess the timegate is even worse than we think it is.
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and you should count some attempts when your party member dc, leave, nontimer quitter etc
and you as solo played have only 2 attempts at the week
and you should upgrade gear and weps
and itâs not an ULTRA upgrade, itâs an endgame content which you canât go
Just getting all you stuff to 623 (33k shards) will take way over a year if you only get 1 key (5 runs in low mutations) per week. Imagine doing that for second gear, or more or less 3 gears (corruption ward + ancient ward + angry earth ward) for each dungeon + PvP gear.
This isnât time gating this is torture.
Let´s hope they allready listening and getting rid of the grind and the timegates.
Numbers that i found
Mutation Level - Bronze - Silver - Gold
1 - 27 - 33 - 40
2 - 40 - 50 - 60
3 - 53 - 67 - 60
4 - 80 - 100 - 120
5 - 133 - 167 - 200
6 - 533 - 667 - 800
7 - 1000 - 1250 - 1500
8 - 1333 - 1667 - 2000
9 - 2677 - 3333 - 4000
10 - 4000 - 5000 - 6000
Current Gearscore - Shards To Upgrade
600 - 1
601 - 2
602 - 3
603 - 4
604 - 5
605 - 6
606 - 8
607 - 10
608 - 15
609 - 20
610 - 25
611 - 35
612 - 50
613 - 65
614 - 90
615 - 125
616 - 175
618 - 325
619 - 450
620 - 900
621 - 1000
622 - 1400
623 - 1900
624 - 2500
So 8214 Shards for one piece, so 10 pieces cost 82140 Umbral Shards to upgrade.
Lets say 3 different sets are 246k Umbral Shards.
If you can run 10 in Gold 10 times a week it seams okay 
Another get rid of orbs post, love it /bump
well you only need 623 for doing gold on every piece 
So the 33k are measured for the bare minimum gear needed for M10. I wanted to show with the most advantageous example how horrible the timegate is.
Etc 7 days? Stop global cooldown dont have senseâŚto much tuning CD.
it is not possible to set so many limits. If Ags releases a game without High end content it cannot castrate the game in this way to slow down the players in the progression of the game. it seems to me a continuous fail of AGS. DRILLING.
thread was created 8 days ago, and we still donât have a Dev answer concerning this issue.
-are the Devs fine with the grind needed to craft Expedition/Mutation Orbs?
-are the Devs not concerned in the slightest about promising more freely available keys, and being able to more frequently run Expeditions/Mutations, yet not keeping their word?
maybe i am wrong here, but i would expect more of a sense of urgency, to be honest.
@Cyd My assumption Amazon is doing Amazon things.
- Coders & Game Designers know itâs a shit take, but donât even care bothering with the internal politics.
- Higher ups want to do things âDifferentâ switching plans all the time based on how brown the turd was when doing their morning poop.
- Lead Game Designer probably is between the chairs, and fed up with the game since itâs constantly going from Nagging Teams to Irrational Higher Ups to Mad Community and Spicy press.
- QA is non existent, cheapest of cheapest, 0 value âtesterâ
- Automate all the shit to not have to hire anyone, making decision based on âdate scienceâ only
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Scared to talk about anything, therefore if there is a awnser itâs ALWAYS giving vague statements or one to two liners. Unless youâre willing to make a statement that could cost you your job. - Cheapest outsourced support doing a horrible job. Not reading tickets or ignoring them.
More then one of those statements of mine have to be true, otherwise this game would not be in the situation that the community feels that the devs didnât even play the game except for a overgeared myrkgard run after they patched it easier.
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I agree they should get rid of keys
Devs literally said they wanted us to be able to run these dungeons 10 times in a day on videoâŚ.literally on video to our faces.
Now? LikeâŚwow
Any news?
I wishâŚtheyâre really keeping their lips tight.
They know they messed up these
Mutators already, the GS increase is crap, and the 6 month grind to obtain it is even worse.
You guys dont get it. Mutations are a no-new-content thing because new content implies a lot of works. If the new-not-new content has no cooldown or keys, you will dry it out in how much? 1 week? And then? I donât like the business model, just trying to explain it.
⌠and i am really starting to wonder why they will not talk about this, or even better yet, announce changes.
my guess is the Devs are not allowed to make this decision themselves, and are having debates with management.
just watched the January Team update, this is what has been said about the Orb topic:
so, we needed a method of control of access basically because we want to make the rewards , uh, very valuable to players, so we want to make sure your time investment is equal to the reward that youâre going after.
so in other words, we have been mislead.
we will not be able to run them more often, the total amount of Orbs (including expedition entries) has not been increased.
and âtime invested is equal to the rewardâ is next level deception.
farming orbs is not fun, takes too much time, and the rewards are severely lacking.
to be honest, i am more sad then angry, but this has been the last time i will let myself be fooled by empty pr-phrases and promises that we have been heard âloud and clearâ.
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Yep, we have definitely been misled and drug along with a carrot on a stick under the pretense that weâve been heard. Nope, not the case. This excuse theyâve made for themselves is not valid enough, as there is ZERO reason to time gate and limit access to content that has ZERO effect on the grand scheme of things. Running an expedition doesnât suddenly cause say, Everfall to stop being invaded or change some mechanic out in the open world. Expeditions are entirely self-contained, isolated regions of the game world that should NOT have any form of gating on other than âIf your level is too low, you canât enter.â.
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Watched the Dev Video, maybe they heared us not as âloud and clearâ as we hoped.
Mutation had the chance to bring player back to the game. I am not sure if people that come back are willing to grind 3 hours for the normal key, and than another hour for the mutation key. Sounds not inviting at all.
Remove Orbgrind, add a leaderboard (global, server, guild), and people will play.
âloud and clearâ 
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just rewatched vid1
clearly said:
âMORE FREELY AVAILIABLEâ âMULTIPLE RUNS A DAYâ
still 2keys week, without any updates : - ) ) )0000000000000000000
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Unlikely. We have been saying, for weeks, that Orbs need to go or reduce price or remove timegates. None of it has been addressed by AGS. None. They plan to add some stuff to the faction shop but with a one a week timer and make some mats tradeable. But how will that address time gates? How will it address the grind for mats craft the orbs? Very little.
Still a week time gate and still a shit-load of mats to craft these stupid orbs.