You don’t even understand what we are talking about then, and this is exactly what AGS wants. Your CURRENT HWM will not be reset, but if your HWM is 550, and I have a 600 piece of gear, it now has the effectiveness of a 550 piece.
I can go find the quote if you want.
Are you ignorant or trolling?
Crafters get the shaft
Casuals get the shaft
People who have actual lives get the shaft
NW is the Titanic just some of you are listening to the band play music and not realizing it yet
If you have 600 gear then you either bought it or crafted it and they never did count towards your HWM. They counted towards power and they decided that took away from the need to grind endgame content. By changing it, they game worthwhile endgame content or at least the chance of it.
Crafted gear is still useful but not until endgame once you have earned it
They’re not resetting progress of people grinding HWM
They ARE resetting progress of people who crafted their own armour
Which is actually worse because at least if they punished everyone equally it would be fair, the way they’re doing it now unfairly punishes only some players and creates a large advantage gap between the lucky and unlucky players.
I’ve stuck with the game, haven’t maxed out any watermark and I’m looking forward to the patch.
People are over reacting, but that’s to be expected on the internet these days.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Crafting high level ~600GS armour requires you to do a huge amount of end game grinding. Because you need rare materials, to craft with, you need to make gearing sets of armour to boost crafting, you need to make trophies to boost crafting, you need lots of money to pay taxes on 3 houses for the trophies. You need ultra rare things to get to the max level trophies, and you need a crazy amount of time/gold grinding out things like furnishing to max.
The fact you think crafters just sit in town all day is utterly laughable, you’re completely ignorant of how end game actually works for crafting and every time you characterize people crafting as not engaging with end game content you look more and more stupid.
Do you not realize how that lowers the possible candidates to buy a crafters gear they worked very hard on getting levels for
Crafters are definitely getting shafted if 1.2 happens
or… just hit the market and buy it.
I do have most of my crafting at 200 and all gathering and refining there. Not sure why you think you’re special.
If 1.2 goes live a big section of the player base won’t care to buy your items think about that
Yes it will slow down selling items until people get their scores back up then it will be the best way to get proper perks. Did you even see the other stuff they are adding into crafting to make getting that score up faster?
I spent literally 2 entire weeks grinding herbs, hemp, trees to gain coin… now its going to lower my WM from 600 to 505…
Tbh I’m a lost cause
All my skills are 200 but my desire to play right now is 0
I just like the forums and do enjoy knowing what is going on
Maybe I’m hopeful they will right the ship before the end
Their track record doesn’t seem to show that is reasonable
But I did put 900 hrs into this game and loved it for a time , then their calamity of mistakes and issues slowly drained that passion to a slow crawl and my interest in actually on life support
Anything that’s rare is extremely expensive, and getting gold requires enormous amounts of grinding. That’s not a shortcut to just buy stuff, I don’t know what world you live in.
Getting your crafting to 200 is only a tiny fraction of what you need to do in order to craft 600GS stuff, as has already been pointed out there’s a huge number of different factors that go into raising the GS of your crafted items from 500 to 600 which all involve incredibly rare and expensive materials. Again you just completely skip over this, showing that actually you don’t know what you’re talking about and have no idea how the end game crafting is done and how much effort is required.
I don’t think I’m special, in fact that’s kind of my point. Crafters aren’t special, they put in just as much grind, time and effort as anyone else engaging with end game content, and I’m advocating they be treated the same as everyone else. AGS are the ones treating the crafting as special by uniquely nerfing us and undoing our GS progress but not for anyone else.
Ah yes I’m stuck on reading the forums too in hopes of a light at the end of the tunnel but with replies from staff like this one I doubt it. No hope
Congratulations
But in all seriousness i was really looking forward to this game and just had a blast just chopping wood in beta, me and about 7 of my RL friends sped through Valheim to be ready for opening day of New World Order …
Now? Less than what 2mths ish ( quit about two weeks ago ) here I am sadly wishing for some miracle fix or change that makes it all better
Sadly I don’t think it will happen so in the meantime I stay up to date on the NW shenanigans and get in crazy debates with you fine ppl
We already earned it? They are taking it away from us.
Yes my 600 GS musket/bow is still 600. but downscaled to my WM. That is BS, and the time it will take to be able to see my 600 musket/bow actually be a 600 again is literal months. They nerfed the WM system with the new expertise to make the chance of increase down to ~1%, it was ~10%. They time gated crafting twice now, and then with this new expertise they time gated that as well.
But hey I can still craft high level stuff and sell it to people who can fully utilize it. I just can’t, the person who worked for it and crafted it. LOL pretty bogus.
So people who haven’t earned there craft levels, but grinded WM can utilize them.
For people who have below 100 level crafting but high or max WM somehow have “earned” the right to fully utilize high crafted gear, while the crafters who crafted them and don’t have high or max WM all of a sudden don’t earn the right to fully utilize them? Whack.
Did you see any of the data mines? They literally time gated it so hard it will take months. Literally that bad.
Its not even humanely possible right now to reach 200 level crafting after they nerfed that twice.
Damn worse nerfs than I thought.
Watermark stuff
See the following graph. The simple version is this: The odds of increasing your watermark were reduced from 10% to 1%. Minimum GS increase is nerfed at higher watermarks (2 to 1). Odds of a 600 GS item dropping were reduced significantly, but odds of a 591+ is up on average. Overall, HWM progression is significantly nerfed.
(Thanks Fluff in the NWDB Discord for this)
Old:
HWM : ExceedMax : ChanceToExceed : ChanceBump
500 : +5 : 3% : +0.25%
510 : +5 : 2% : +0.225%
525 : +4 : 1.75% : +0.1875%
550 : +3 : 1.5% : +0.125%
575 : +2 : 1% : +0.06%
590 : +10 : 1% : +0.025%
RollupChance: 10% on all
New:
500 : +5 : 1% : +0.1%
520 : +4 : 1% : +0.1%
545 : +3 : 1% : +0.1%
575 : +2 : 1% : +0.1%
585 : +1 : 1% : +0.1%
590 : +10 : 1% : +0.1%
RollupChance: 1% on all
Note there is a bunch of other stuff that also modifies this. It remains to be seen how bad the nerf is, but it will be significant. For example, HWMMult (a multiplier for raising HWM) was reduced from 30 on elite chests down to 15. For elite mobs, it was reduced from 2 to 1.5. For named mobs, it was reduced from 15 to 4. These HWMMult changes are on top of the drop chance being reduced from 10% to 1%, so there are multiple areas of nerfs.
Gypsum (edit with testing in NWDB discord)
An OPR cast gave +3 expertise. It is unclear if this is always +3 or if it follows the rules of regular HWM increases (i.e. up to +5 until level 520, then +4 until 545, etc.). Crafting an orb has a tax of 100g. Crafting a cast has a tax of 500g.
The gypsum, combined with the HWM changes, are the opposite of what the dev diary said. The dev diary stated :
But we have increased up the amount your Expertise increases with each bump to make Gypsum Casts and the random bumps feel more valuable.
However, this datamined info shows the opposite: The potential gear score increase is reduced on each step. There is even a new step at 585 where you can only go up +1, rather than the current +2.
Ok then lets see it your way…
Dungeos are time-gated behind keys so farming dungeons is a no go for gold.
(ofc you will need good/experienced players to even make some gold in end game dungeons).
Farming mats for keys consume lots of time.
6-7 OPR runs in a low pop servers is around 6-9h if you are lucky. High pop servers around 3-4h.
Great if most crafters gets tipped 600g for potential 600gs never got that many usually 100-200g and sometimes its days before someone even ask for some crafts.
So let’s see gold/time spent for a day grind to get some of cache.
Thanks but NO thanks… if you like and have time to do same things every day for 5-7 caches for average 7-10h play time then yea COOL hope you will enjoy it long enough.