Follow up questions about LUCK (can a dev please respond)

I can tell you exactly what is in the datamine.

All Non-Combat Trophy Mats are in a single loot bucket called: ContainerTrophyArtifacts
This Loot bucket Is only reachable one way, by opening a Supply Stockpile or an Ancient Chest.

Both of those reference a Loot Table called ContainerLootLarge.

That loot table is an AND table, says it is LuckSafe, has the GlobalMod conditions on it, and contains five entries:

ContainerLootLarge

Entry Name # Of Rolls Roll (Max:100000) Type
ContainerLootGearLeveled 1-2 0 Table
GlobalNamedListRoll 1 0 Table
ResourceItems 1 35000 Bucket
ContainerLootLargeExtra 1 75000 Table
ContainerFurnitureCommon 1 85000 Table

So you have a flat 25% chance to hit ContainerLootLargeExtra, unaffected by luck.

Once there, we have this:
ContainerLootLargeExtra is an OR table, does not say it is LuckSafe, does not have the GlobalMod condition on it, and contains four entries:

ContainerLootLargeExtra

Entry Name # Of Rolls Roll (Max:100000) Type
ContainerLootGearLeveled 1 0 Table
ContainerFurnitureUncommon 1 75000 Bucket
ContainerFurnitureRare 1 90000 Bucket
ContainerTrophyArtifacts 1 99500 Bucket

ContainerTrophyArtifacts is the bucket with trophy artifacts, which contains 23 items.

POI Level 16+
Ember Stone
Dummy frame
Fluffy Stuffing

POI Level 36+
5 Minor crafting
4 MInor gathering
1 Minor Luck trophy mats, (Stacked Deck)

POI Level 56+
5 Major crafting
4 Major gathering
1 Major Luck trophy mats, (Loaded Dice)

So, with no luck at all, you have a 0.25 * 0.005 = 0.00125 or 0.125% or 1 in 800 chance to see a trophy mat. If you are trying to get something specific, then there is a further 1/23 for getting, say, a loaded dice if you are in a lvl56 zone or higher.

If you do have luck, say 50%, then it clearly increases your chances of getting trophy artifacts (4 in 114 is really, really strong)

What we dont really, know, and the devs have not yet explained to us, is how that 50% luck (or 5000 GlobalRollMod) impacts your chances on an OR table.

If they treat it like an AND table, and add your luck to the roll, then your luck is only increasing the chances of getting artifacts, and decreasing the chance you get an extra “ContainerLootGearLeveled”, and they did mention that this is something they do not do in that first blog post. Again, however, who knows what is accurate.

So, its difficult to know how to calculate the odds when we dont know whether or not luck is going to help you get more Rare furniture from supply stockpiles, or whether it only helps with the Artifacts.

One thing for sure, is it definitely does help.

Now if only we could know whether or not it is actually applying in the cases when its supposed to.

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This is now my favorite post on this thread. i don’t know how you did this but you explained it amazingly, THANK YOU!

“this is getting the attention you’re looking for.” - Getting the attention and still takes 20d.

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So how do you know which furniture items are in the common or rare categories? Their tier?

Their weekend hasn’t ended probably.

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there is no follow-up too regarding the update from the devs. at the very least, please provide us with one! @Luxendra @Shadow_Fox

“ Reminder that weekends do exist too “

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I think you have 100% chance to get a trophy in the action house,
for an average of 85k golds
Farming golds get a roll chance of 100% to got golds

Any other questions?

Oh thanks, i never knew those trophy mats are coming to auction house automatically? I thought players farmed and put for sale in AH.

It is player driven. That guy is trolling. He’s saying not to waste time with luck and opening chests. Instead you should grind gold and just buy the mats off the market.

Despite his trolling, it’s actually not a bad suggestion. I got all my precision armoring tools with buy orders that were 10k less than what was on the market.

yeah i know, but i am being sarcastic to him. At least one of the guys should farm for trophies and they need these answers. He needs to understand it.

Each loot bucket contains specific furnishings and schematics.:

Common:

Uncommon:

https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Dresser01_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Dresser01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table01_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table02_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Cloth_Tapestry_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Firewood_Pile_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_HangingSacksLG
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_PrimalPottery_A_Hang
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Rug_Cloth_Flat_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Pirate_Decor_Cannonballs
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Ceiling_Plant01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Ceiling_Plant02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_ClayBarrel01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_ClayBarrel02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Plant01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_SmallVase_E
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_Dishes02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_Dishes05
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_FlowerPot02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_PlaceSetting01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_Stationary03
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_TallVase_E
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_FlowerPot01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Painting01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Painting03
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightCeiling01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightTable01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug05
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Bed_Dynasty_Bed01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Bed_Dynasty_Bed02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Chair01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Chair02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Stool_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Armoire01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Bookcase01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Bookcase02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Cabinet01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Cabinet02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_WeaponRack01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Curtain01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Curtain02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Curtain03_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Dresser01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Shelf01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Shelf02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Stove01_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightCeiling01_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug06
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug07
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Storage_T3_Dynasty
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_BedSideTable_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Desk01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Table01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Table02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Table_SideDesk_Md
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Table_TableSmallA

Rare:

https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Dresser01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Island01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Pirate_Table02_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_UiDrink_Tea_T3
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Vegetation_Vines_Med_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Vegetation_Vines_Med_E
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Vegetation_Vines_Med_F
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Vegetation_Vines_Sm_E
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Vegetation_Vines_Sm_F
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Bed_Dynasty_Bed01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Bed_Dynasty_Bed02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Chair01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Chair02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Stool_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Armoire01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Bookcase01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Bookcase02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Cabinet01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Cabinet02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Ceiling_Plant03
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_ClayBarrel01_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Plant02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_SmallVase_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_SmallVase_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_Dishes04
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_FlowerPot01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_PlaceSetting02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_PlaceSetting03
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_Stationary01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Table_Stationary02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_TallVase_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_TallVase_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Birdcage01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Curtain01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Curtain02_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Curtain03_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Fans01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Incense01
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Painting02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_Wall_Painting04
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Decor_WineJug_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Dresser01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Shelf01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Shelf02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightCeiling01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightTable01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightWall01_A
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightWall01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug02
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug03
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug08
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_BedSideTable_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Desk01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Table01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Table02_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Bed_Dynasty_Bed01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Bed_Dynasty_Bed02_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Chair01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Chair02_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Chair_Dynasty_Stool_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Armoire01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Bookcase01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Bookcase02_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Cabinet01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Cabinet02_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Dresser01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Shelf01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Dynasty_Shelf02_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightCeiling01_B
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightTable01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Lighting_Dynasty_LightWall01_C
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Rug_Dynasty_Decor_Floor_Rug04
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_BedSideTable_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Desk01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Table01_D
https://nwdb.info/db/item/Schematic_House_HousingItem_Table_Dynasty_Table02_D

All the furniture items that say Dynasty in the Url are generally only available in Ebonscale.

Sorry these were so long. I forgot about the automatic previews.

holy crap, how long does it take to actually scroll through all that lol

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i feel you. every single day i check this specific thread at least 2 times. tbh i dont know why i set such a high bar for the devs. they have clearly failed us time and time again.

we totally get that you (@Luxendra) don’t quite have the power to do much with regards to the devs progress on forming a reply, but what you can do is provide us with an update! let us know what’s going on and roughly how long will it take.

@Shadow_Fox, if you were planning on hanging us high and dry, don’t give us false hope with some “weekends exist too” bs. we have been waiting over 2 weeks (excluding weekends). i’ve studied and learned luck more from random data miners throughout the forums than the actual devs WHO LITERALLY DESIGNED the luck system. AGS, you guys should hire these people, maybe then we would finally get a reply about luck lol.

@Luxendra, we would TRULY appreciate any form of update on this.

have a good day everyone!

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You can’t expect them to answer anything about luck when they really don’t know the answer. It was VERY clear in the dev video that they couldn’t really come up with an explanation or even agree on what the answer was to that question. They contradicted themselves when discussing it and just kinda “beat around the bush” wasting more time making it known gathering/harvesting luck was different than loot luck like we didn’t already know that.

This is one of the questions that’s been around since before the game launched and still hasn’t been answered. Just one of many honestly, and don’t expect any definitive answer that will 100% clarify the process that we have all guessed at.

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Exactly. They implemented some stuff here and there.
It works in mysterious ways, does not crash.
And as no one can prove that it is completely broken…it is good enough.
No one cares to do it properly as there are more pressing matters.
As a developer I understand that very well :smiley:

We should start by setting up a “go fund me” to buy the AGS luck Czar a webster’s dictionary - that way he will be able to determine the actual meaning of luck.

Edit: What we have is not luck - it’s pin the tail on the jackass with an extra thick blindfold and hangman’s hood - oh, and the “pin” is actually over cooked spaghetti. Call it “chance”… as in, “you ain’t got no…”

Can you stack the stacked dishes? I probably have enough of those that I could build a staircase from my lawn to the roof of my house.