I think everyone will suffer as this is just going to drive away more players.
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man you casual sweatys are complaining about housing taxes, when the fact is pvp sweatys havent logged in yet to set lower taxes.
just like, dont pay taxes and see what happens before bitching
no idea what you mean by sweatys. but clearly, your experience has been perfect. Thanks for contributing to the conversation.
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Unrealistic solutions to a problem that shouldn’t exist.
Just because the devs intended this doesn’t mean the design isn’t bloody friggin stupid and toxic to high heaven.
It’s almost like AGS wants people to break their TOS and want the mobster/criminal mentality to take over the game.
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Lol. Right? Don’t tell me a bunch of career wielding casuals like myself aren’t sitting here thinking… “Well I guess I could purchase gold to pay my taxes.”
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Ha ha ha - transparent? To whom? The few who visit and read the forums.
There was nothing in game to warn people buying houses - nothing to tell them they were starting on and getting reduced taxes.
Please explain how this is transparent?
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No worry !
Just sell ur asmo cd to the people owning the territory !
TALAMMMMMM ! Tax paid!
The increase in taxes is enough that many players will just abandon houses. If they abandon the houses–and they enjoyed that portion of the game–are they as likely to play?
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Valid point! I remember when they lowered taxes, as it was mentioned in general chat, etc. I do NOT remember reading that it would return at some point.
You assume I have an asmo cool down - which I don’t - but hey happy to smelt some star metal… just let me mine a ton of iron, chop some trees, burn some wood… oh I still need star metal…
If I wanted to chop wood, I’ll go play Valhiem. At least in Valhiem, I can build amazing structures with my chopped wood.
I don’t have a crafting skill over about 100 points aside from like logging and skinning. The crafting system is nauseating to me.
you know it was sarcasm right ?
Cause they use money from territory to gear up! ahahha
Transparent… in every sense of the word… The information was out there for anyone to view. Because the information was available to anyone, that means AGS maintained transparency. It’s partially your duty/the duty of all players to keep informed on incoming changes. That’s the whole point of putting the information out there for people to read.
I QUIT. I created a forum account just to say this.
I’m a casual player. I bought my third small house a few days ago. My goal was to have 5 trophies and an iron chest in each house and I was finally able to do it.
Now my total taxes went from $95 per house up to $475 per house each week. They are all set to extreme.
I don’t make much gold because I enjoy farming and leveling my crafting skills. And all of the farming bots on my server keep the material prices very low. Every farming run seems to have one or more bots there already.
AGS has done nothing to remove the bots, I report them every day. Many are level 60, four levels higher than me. It’s incredible. Looks like the bots win: I turn the game (and the farming spots) over to them.
The tax increase was the last straw. I am not going to play this game just to give all of my gold to some other player that controls the town. They are probably the ones that are spamming chat with gold selling ads. What do they do with all that excess gold?
I might check back in a year or so, but I doubt it because then I would have to buy my houses all over again, and I’m not willing to do that.
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Haha… blush I do now!
you might ask why I’m still here… still play… the honest truth is… I’m asking myself that very question. I’ve got 700+ hours logged in this game… and at every turn, I get more and more demoralized with it.
I’ve gotten to the point where my play time in the game is 1 night a week, and then a random war/invasion periodically. Yeah, pretty casual…
Except that… I got tired of being hard-core in a game so broken.
About the only thing that keeps me interested in this game is the scenery and music (except for that damned violinist in Mourningdale).
Everything else is just a repetitious grind.
So the housing tax hike is like… just icing on a cake that was already crumbling.
Tired of running the same old PVP influence quests? here’s let’s make them different… and yet still grindy.
Tired of running watermark? Here’s, let’s rebrand it… and keep it grindy.
Tired of needing keys? Here… let’s add more keys…
Grind grind grind… Abusing the spirit of players who just want to “play the game”… not be forced labor in some giant hamster wheel that is just grinding digits for the next crypto hashmark.
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Logged in just to look at housing prices (still ain’t going to play and haven’t played in 2 weeks). None of my settlements were set to max (owners must’ve changed them already) and it’s 1700 for 3 houses (2x tier 1, 1x tier 4). I do have good standings with max amount of property tax reductions I could get, but don’t remember what my standing was pre-patch.
1700 a week would be hard for very casual players who do 1-2 hours a day max. I do remember my T4 being cheaper pre-tax reduction though, it was something like 1050, now it’s 1180.
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Suggestions to solve the tax issue:
Option 1: Remove Property Tax slider from Company control, provide a fixed fee property tax across all territories that can be modified, as it is already through territory reputation.
Option 2: Reduce the max property tax from 10% to 3%.
Option 3: Get rid of the initial cost of the house and refund players who bought a house.
Option 4: Change your TOS to indicate you are OK with toxic behavior.
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@Oddemus from Google so -well close enough? For a definition:
“easy to perceive or detect.”
So all a person had to do (assuming they joined the game and bought a house during the reduced period) was read all the patch notes, a few dev blogs and then continue to do so to get the information to warn them what was coming. Or be told if they asked in game - perhaps.
Putting the information out there - perhaps a note on the housing menu? How about a detail on a load screen - Nothing. Remind me, how many players actually read the forums? I do not know for this game. but it is usually a small percentage.
Looks like we have very different definitions of transparency.
The funny part of property tax is that it is supposed to be paid by the people who own the property. Seems to me that should be the company that owns the territory, eh? You know, tax them for the privilege of making money off all the commerce the average people do.
I guess we really are going for the American model in New World, where the population–the vast majority of which are on the bottom rung–pays to fund the wealthy and the military contractors to build some fancy shit to go fight wars. Even then, average property tax in the US is 1.07%.
Anyway, the slum lords of this ever buggier turd muffin can now oversee and help hasten the further decline of their sad little internet kingdom.
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Did you ask the Territory owner to lower the taxes?
I like seeing fellow gamers protesting the very things I myself find objectionable, so your get a like from me as well.
I too will not be playing if I cannot use my houses like before, because AGS wanted to make yet another attempt to force my poor character to pay his hard earned gold, into the coffers of the useless pvp company ownership of territories game mechanic.
Keep in mind, the concept of paying any type of fees/taxes is a wholly contrived system, that could be done away with entirely, at any time, and then folks could just enjoy playing the game.
As for you ideas on how to fix the specific issue of housing tax player interest killing foolishness, I have already posted elsewhere my ideas, which would allow for a players character to level up their territorial standing to the point where they could get a 100% off tax, if they achieved a standing 20+ levels higher than their current house required to buy it. The idea would be an automatic 5% reduction per level of standing above the level needed to buy it. This makes role playing a characters achievements a rewarding thing, and allows folks that work hard to finally achieve a tax-free level of standing, due to their characters ingame actions, and to hell with what ever silly nonsense is going on with the pvp folks.
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