How about nerf the light armor dodge?

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I know how it works, I sometimes play Musket/Rapier. Also when you dodge the first time you only need to wait 0,5 sec then you can do the second dodge without emptying it and going into Exhaust State.

Stamina from 0.1 to 100 (Without “Exhaust” state) takes 2 seconds.
Stamina from 0 to 100 takes 3 seconds (And also slows movement due to Exhaust state).
I’m pretty sure that after two Dodges and an evasive skill is enough to create a distance to regenerate to full stamina and then dodge twice again.

I agree partially, Fleche was just an example of gameplay, the amount of evasive skills plus, movespeed perks, plus the Dodge the way it is now creates this imbalanced gameplay, in my opinion of course.

I agree Riposte is really easy to avoid IF you have enough stamina to dodge it. Now in a melee fight against ranged, plenty of times when you close the gap you will not have enought stamina because you had to waste it in timed dodges to avoid damage. The problem is, if you go aggressive into the ranged you risk being caught into riposte “out-of-the-jail card”. If you play more carefully, then you probably isn’t pressuring him enough.

I know, it’s a high skilled build, but let’s be honest. It’s impossible to close the gap if the enemy is focused into running instead of fighting. Duels have etiquette, OPR and OW things get nasty.

My main grip is that most of the people use the Dodge to create distance instead of actually dodging a hit. I would love a little distance nerf into the Light roll and the removal of the animation cancel. Maybe reduce it’s stamina cost to compensate, so Light users can dodge more but create less distance, this would also reward people that know how to time dodges.
OR maybe they could give us back the staggers (hit-stun) and feinting gameplay, who knows.

Lack of weapon variety is also a symptom, if we had more ranged options we could secondary a ranged weapon to fight efficiently stat-wise. We need ranged options of pure STR, STR/INT, STR/FOC, DEX/FOC.

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How about get rid of roll dodge animation cancel and change nothing else and see what happens :slight_smile:

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Huh? It got balanced relative to other weapons by nerfing it.

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Dex users cost 40 per roll… bow+rapier = dex…

What game are we talking about now? This is a new world forum.

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You cannot dodge unless stamina is full.

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Nor do they even have a handy second weapon to turn to when their cooldowns hit.

Admittedly most players seem to ignore the second weapon slot as well. Unless they are doing melee/ranged it just doesn’t seem to occur to a lot of folks.

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This was happening to me earlier today.

Roll twice – empty stamina bar.

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by nerfing the roll range in light armor, we will get a second medium armor that takes more damage :poop:

then let’s give light armor as much PHYSICAL resistance as heavy armor, but what, no one wants to die for 2 skills +2 basic attacks.

hmm, then why do we need medium armor, which just takes more damage. Ouch. :clown_face:

Another big empty headline to collect negative opinion of people about you in the comments and promote it. Poor compensation for low self-esteem

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I don’t get why you’re complaining about the “spacing fight” between ranged and melee. In 1v1 thats exactly what the duel is about if ranged and melee meet:

  • Melee tries to get close to the opponent
  • Ranged tries to stay away

And it is definitely still possible to close the gap with a GA.
Also: in all the threads about GA nerfs i keep getting the feeling that GA players forget they have skills and a 2nd weapon. Use it!

Great Axe is one of the melee weapons with the most movement / gap closing potential in the game. You have Rush, Reap, Gravity, movement speed perks and thats only 3 of your 6 skills.

Also I dont think a ranged strength weapon makes a lot of sense. The stat perks for strength are all build around close combat and melee fights. Also strength is the main attribute for the 2 weapons that were OP since launch and are still used by a majority of players for a good reason. (GA / Hammer)
If you want to play a ranged or a mixed build, you should’nt spec into strength, its that easy ^^

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Great Axe still is arguably among the best weapons together with War Hammer, Spear, Bow and Void Gauntlet.

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Have you even tried to run faster by dodging? if any distance, is minimal, you can see that when running on zergs. If players were to depend solely on dodges, your 20% haste with blood lust is more than enough to catch them. Then they have fleche and whatever is called the ability of FS users, but again GA have charge, and Reap.

You have tools, and other players have tools as well, how you utilize them is up to you. The nerf was intended for brainless GA users who only left click spam abilities.

As of now, I can survive the 1v1 vs GA, but very likely none of us will get to kill each other.

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So… You want to wear heavy, have explosive damage and more mobility then light.

Why don’t you wear light and have better mobility than him.

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I thought first that the proposal was not ment serious, but possibly the creation really ment it.

When playing with light armor against heavy armore I have a problem too. The damage mitigation against heavy armore is huge. If the opponent carries a shield its quite challenging to create substantial damage at all.

Well your proposal seems to be at the core to remove your problems by nerfing them. Be fair and allow this for all others too. Lets reduce for examplke the damage mitigation of heavy armor.

Or better remove armor classes all together offer just one, offer just one weapon, offer just the same abilitites. Then no one has problems and it is fair.

But seriously, you dont want this, certainly I do not want this.

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With 150 dex perk and rapier it’s not 2 or 3 chain dodges, but 5 chain dodges from full stamina: dodge(60 stam remaining) → dodge(20 stam remaining) → evade (get 20 stamina back from skill perk + wait 0.1s to get 3 stam from regen tick, 43 stam remaining) → dodge(3 stam remaining) → dodge (0 stam remaining)

Dex players have been trying to gaslight the community about how many times they can chain dodge, it’s about time AGS takes a look at nerfing the ability to be in iframe state while covering a massive amount of distance with all these chain dodges.

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GA user crying with no sense arguments.

I’m use light armour with fire staff and void gaunlet, there is no evade shot, riposte,… I only have burnout so… don’t mix different things to promote a nerf.

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Lol, you wear heavy amour to mitigate damage and tank. so do that and stop trying to chase glass cannon light amour users that have to stay at range.

If you really wanna catch then why dont you change to light amour urself XD LMAO

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GA is currently in a really bad state. The crit nerf made it harder to burst ranges if you ever hit them and the lunge nerf made it impossible to ever hit the range with more than 1 skill + 1 auto before he is gone for ever.

Remember that the light armor user can dodge 3x and then use evade shot, fleche and he is gone, no way you get him. And he saves riposte and evade for your skills to catch up.

GA turned into a meatshield, you just run around to collect arrows, bullets and sit on cap if you ever get there alive.

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Very true. Outside of wars the GA is pretty useless now.

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I agree, GA it’s still the best weapon to use against ranged and the nerf to lunge was deserved. As I said before my grip is Dodge button being used to create distance instead of Dodging an attack.
Want a good example? Let’s run a straight line, you dodging canceling and I’m holding W. You win. This is one of the problems in my opinion, Dodging should give the iframes at the cost of slowing down, not speeding up.

I think this is where we disagree, I think every build should be able to fight every build, advantages? Of course, but no hard counters. A Medium armor Hammer/Spear should have tools to catch a Light armor Bow/Rapier, and he should have tools to slow/cc the melee going against him. I don’t like to think that the Hammer/Spear user need to drop one of his weapons and use GA to have a chance against the Bow/Rapier.

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Dude be precise, when peapol say VG is good we all know what it mean Scream is good the rest is okey for support not much more (sure blade do dmg is you decide to get hit by it)

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