This part doesnt bother me. It was hearing him say he wears heavy and wants to be able to catch a light rapier player so they buffed heavy and nerfed light and medium. You 100% should NOT be able to catch a light rapier in heavy or wtf is the point of light?
And no I donāt even play rapier.
while that is true they only choose the changes that are illogical and noob friendly. Games should listen to community feedback yes. However does that mean that the community is right no. They need experienced actual good pvp devs on the team in order to gauge proper balancing. You can tell most of them are below average
By all means, I hope AOC will be a great game. But from what Iāve seen so farā¦I doubt it
I think A2 will be live in 2023, not release.
I would balance around 3v3.
I think small scale pvp balance would translate to large scale pvp balance, but large scale pvp balance would not translate to small scale pvp. If the game was balanced around war, then healing and tanking/brusiers would be too powerful on the small scale.
I think youāre correct.
Was starting to have doubts and I know theres YEARS worth of shine to put on it, but after they showed that small group actual gameplay, theres a working product in there and I cant see them not doing it in 2023, but we will see. #IAmNotAProphet
It doesnāt make sense to fight balance between PVP and PVE. Balance should scale based on your group size. So a 20v20 is just 4 units of 5v5. A war 50v50 is just 10 units of 5v5.
3v3 doesnāt scale into either OPR 20v20 or WAR 50v50 or Expeditions 5 players or upcoming raids which they said will be 20.
5v5 is where itās at. Full Groups.
I know you casuals and solo players donāt like this but that is the practical reality of it at a fundamental level these games are made for grouping and have to be balanced that way.
Balance in a game where the core concept of PVP is ZERG BATTLES.
Yeah never going to get balanced my dude.
I think the way the test things is they throw a bunch of Rabid Gerbils into a bagā¦ each one has a Weapon name on their backā¦ they leave them in there for a few days and when they open it upā¦ Whatever Gerbil walks out in the weapon that will get nerfed into the ground for that monthā¦ they pretty much repeat this process tell you quit the game.
Agree.
Balancing based on a group only works if we all have access to a full group, which is not possible with random queues. They would need to implement role queues for that to work. Otherwise, pre-made groups with ideal compositions will always have the advantage, which is partially why we have 1000 to <200 ORPs.
I think balancing around the idea all builds can 1v1 each other would be better, and thatās how most pvp games are balanced. Some builds have advantages in certain situations, but, in general, different builds simply play different, but their win rates are roughly the same.
Its been like this since day 1, too.
Thats why the people in dedicated 5 mans are
so much exponentially ahead of the rest of the
playerbase.
Ya narc never grow out of his vanilla/BC hardcore players mentality. Kinda sad. Guy will forever be looking for that mmo promised land.
Everytime I hear him mention 10,000 hours in GW2ā¦
10k hours in a single player game essentially since that games endgame content has been in disrepair for years now oof.
Pvp in general nerf bows /musket also remove stagger on bow as well as the range.
This only works if you completely take the trinity out of PVE. Youād have to gut a healer so far and buff all the individual players self healing to a point that a healer isnāt neccessary. You can take any four non tank players and be good to go. Then the next argument is if you got rid of healers why not get rid of tanks? Before you know it there are no roles just random zergs in PVE content.
No thanks you. There are just as many if not more players who happily enjoy the trinity concept than those who donāt enjoy it. The ones that donāt tend to not have an MMORPG background and should stick to the games they came from instead of complaining about a cornerstone of MMORPGs.
I agree - and you canāt have access until cross server play is fleshed out and then again once roles can be declared in some way for pvp matches.
They have roles in Expedition group finder they could easily implement that in to PVP queus. Heck they donāt even nead folks to declare. You can discern objectively based on attributes and weapons what role a person is qued as.
That idea is like 20-30 years old at this point.
For now, OPR & War should be the scale until ags gets better at balance rotations.
1 vs 1 & 3 vs 3 are an add on to the game not the core. Open world (if players would actually create something like ppl did with WTās) always had the potential big long massive laggy battles (that never happened for many reasons). Outside of that war is the primary tool for controlling a territory. Outpost rush is a battleground for practicing war without a risk (Turned into TDM by a biased scoreboard).
1 vs 1 scenarios in war & opr often are assassins which is their nature.
3 vs 3 is the direct cause of why healers have that god awful mechanic Line of Sight. There is nothing fun, rewarding, or even tactical about being completely being denied a cast because the targetās feet are covered ever so slightly but the entire body is CLEAR AS DAY.
Outside of that, the combat ratio is set to pve. The abilities arenāt scaled for pvp anyway. Which is probably a much greater nuisance than the weapons themselves. The weapons themselves are operating perfectly fine in what they were build for, but the ratio they are set to is supporting two very different worlds.
Balance should be scaled from compare & contrasting multiple aspects.
War>=Opr < - > Average <= Good < - > weapon popularity < - > Weapon Raw Base Data>=Max attribute data.
I want to include OWpvp but itās always a ghost town.
Granted ags could solve the entirety of OutpostShootingGallery with a simple change to the scoreboard valuing objectives, lowering kill/damage point generation, & removing rewards from the losing team or just granting a pity 100 coin as a deterrent.
PvP is scrambled in general with no real structure to support any kind of meaningful balance to begin with. The dev team isnāt consistent on balance update either which further adds to the underlying problems.
1 vs 1 & 3 vs 3 even up to 5 vs 5 can be ratioād to a Raw format which would leave balancing for war, opr, & world very much alone. A raw format is disabling GS, attributes, perks & allowing the weapons to operate at base vs base. Which then adds (Raw) combat data to the devs pool allowing to measure the base to then contrast it to the max. This also provides raw combat data on what works with & against what. Afterwards using the raw data to help tweak not kratos murder nerf or Odin buff the crap out of something.
The way balance is gauged is actually pretty involved, and includes the use of extensive, sophisticated software telemetry tools that can provide a spectacular amount of data for analysis.
The data is then filtered to allow the developers to determine how many times someone gets killed by a weapon and they rage then that one needs nerfed. That is the forum balance on weapons.