I honestly think LUCK might be absolutely broken

[PeterDee]

PvP flagged luck doesn’t work on expeditions .

[PeterDee]

You are right, that might make a difference, but is really worth the invested time to do it?
That 10 runs test was for fun helping new players, but I rather do more interesting content

[Kebein]

no, luck doesnt work at all in expeditions.

[PeterDee]

Can you back it up with an official link, or you say it just for the sake of it

[PeterDee]

@Kebein

luck only affects the eligibility for named items and rare mats like trophie mats.

The exact subject I was talking about, the ones I was testing in the expedition.

[Kebein]

sure thing i can, buddy

@Luxendra

How Does Luck Work?

Recently we have received a lot of questions about how Luck works in New World. “Luck” of the general type (as opposed to the types of Gathering Luck that you see on something like a sickle or a food buff) affects your chances to roll “higher” on our lists of items that come from enemies and containers like stockpiles. In the case of furniture schematics and found furniture items, the higher-end storage items are among the most rare. Increasing your Luck will definitely make this more likely to occur, but as with all luck - there’s no guarantee you’ll get it.

@Luxendra

Luck

Thanks for your questions and feedback regarding our luck system! We’re happy to provide more detail here as to how the system works under the hood.

There are two ways we interpret luck:

1. An overall scale that you can think of as a ratio of when things occur or a percentage chance to occur.
2. A relative scale that has a movable odds range based on other values we add into it.

Things like enemies and searchable containers use Method #1 above, where anything in their drop list can occur, and your luck stat increases the likelihood of you getting the less common items in the list. In New World’s loot model, drop tables are divided up into overall rarities, with rarer groupings of items living “higher” on the roll table than more common items. There are entire sets of items that drop less frequently than other sets, and equipment is a great example of how we do this.

There are collections of equipment that live at different general probabilities: a “Common” set, “Family” sets, and “Elite” sets. Rarer still are the more context-specific Expedition sets and Named Items. Common items have the broadest possible perk roll variety, Family sets have slightly more narrow perk roll variety and a higher chance to roll perks, and Elite sets only come from Gold-Bar (elite) enemies and have narrower perk rolls and an even higher chance to roll perks. Expeditions items almost always roll some perks, and Named items come with a pre-set selection of perks that don’t roll.

Luck doesn’t increase your chance to get higher gear score rolls or roll more perks, but it does increase your chances of seeing item drops that have higher chances of rolling bonuses.

Gatherables (but not Fishing) use method #2 above. As your Luck stat increases, it gradually enables new items to drop from the tables. This means that if your luck values are totally unmodified, there are some items in those tables that it are impossible for you to obtain without a bonus. This is particularly useful for “AND” tables, or tables that give you more things as they roll higher. If we were to use this with “OR” tables, it would actually decrease or even eliminate your chances of getting items in the lower roll ranges of the table (so we don’t do that). We set up these tables to “open up” more as your base luck grows to avoid inundating lower-skill-level players with less-common items that they would have no use for until progressing much further in other, relevant skills. We also use it to plant little surprises and new things to find as you level your gathering skills!

Additionally, we don’t use percentages in our data notation, we use integer-based roll ranges to apply probability weights to the chances of a specific thing dropping.

For instance, let’s the roll range on regular tree is 100,000 (because it is!), but somewhere above that range, say 105,000, is a chance to get a fish (trees don’t drop fish, this is just an example). When you chop down that tree with unmodified luck, you have a 0% chance to get a fish. But if your luck was modified by say, 10,000, your roll range increases from 0-100,000 to 10,000-110,000, which gives you a (roughly) 5% chance to get that fish when you chop down the tree. If you only increased your luck by 5000, you would have a 0.00001% chance at that fish…but that’s why our luck increases from things like food and equipment are pretty chunky so we avoid cases where your luck value is “stuck” in an unfortunate “ultra low odds of a thing” state.

With gatherables in particular, increasing your gathering skill adds base luck to your roll, with Level 200 granting a total bonus of 2000 to your base rolls. There aren’t any cases in the game where not having a luck bonus will prevent you from getting an item as long as the associated Trade Skill is at 200. You can use food and equipment to further increase your drop chances, or even enable some items to drop for you “earlier” in your progression!

Thanks for the interest in our luck system! It was fun to answer it. See you in Aeternum!

So yes it would work, if the Expeditions wouldnt work like they do:
The reasoning is actually simple. Luck increases the chance that the rarity of the gear that drops will be of higher rarity. Nothing more, nothing less.

This means it does not affect gearscore. Named items in the dungeon cannot drop at GS 600 and NOT be legendary. Ergo, the only factor is the GS of the drop, and this isn’t affected by luck

[PeterDee]

@Luxendra

Luck doesn’t increase your chance to get higher gear score rolls or roll more perks, but it does increase your chances of seeing item drops that have higher chances of rolling bonuses.

You are right, named items don’t have the chances of rolling bonuses, which I presume means legendary like you said.

Thank you for your time and feedback

[Eldiablo_Plays]

It would take a massive wall of text and alot of almost conflicting statements to explain the luck system, it’s not broken it’s just got flaws to its design… Maxed out like you have will hurt you cos how they have things currently set, you’ll need to slowly work down the amount luck you have on in a trial and error sort of format till it comes down to the happy medium of not being the maxed out ‘overluck’ effect your seeing but not being so low as to be no luck either. There is a middle ground where luck will work for you but I am still in the long and hard process of trial and error testing stuff to math out the correctly needed luck amount to work

[viiKiingo]

Yes, exacty that. Since luck has been broken from day 1, my bags are still low level, because who cares for 2.4, 2.5, 2.6… 2.9% luck…

[Subtilizer]

I’m going to sell my trophies soon I think, useless.

[Breh]

You do you🙂

Much better to do that vs testing for fun to confuse yourself even more

[manchini73]

Luck is not broken, luck is broken, …
Fact we don’t know how it exactly calculated, we probably will not and it’s fine.
AGS explained how luck works, AGS told us how chest/elite loot works, and it’s pretty clear, more luck DOSEN’T MEAN MORE CHANCE TO LOOT

[Parethias]

So many anecdotal responses.

So here’s another.

I ignored luck for the first 900 hours and rarely ever got drops, it drove me crazy while I saw those with and without luck get drops left and right.

I now have 2 major and 1 basic trophy with a full-luck set and get drops very regularly with some dry spells.

So, I do believe in luck. But remember it is “LUCK” we are talking about and you can go on long dry spells with and without it.

[Medu-of-the-Mtn]

yall are confusing luck gathering and luck for named drops with global luck.

[DynaPirate]

On both my toons, I’ve never had a luck trophy mat drop. I’ve tried countless hours for over a year. Since launch. 3400hrs in NW. Killed around 8000 defiled bunnies for the chest. No drop. Luck is a lie.

[vahid.panjali]

Luck is not 100% broken, but it’s 100% bad design. It has it’s uses, but it’s useless overall. it’s not worth a perk slot on my apparels thats for sure. i hate it when im frustrated over not having it and i hate it when i do and im forced to think it’s broken.

They should either remove Luck or change the way you obtain luck. add another slot in UI and call it Charm. let us upgrade it from Charming I to Charming V. different charms for different luck like Mining Charm etc…

[Drakon_A]

A lot theories and here is mine:
My theory is that, always will be a forum post about how the luck system doesn’t work.

[Ryanaslett]

This is the most accurate thing in this thread.

1. We know precisely how luck works, and how much impact it has.
2. We tell people how it works, but because they have experienced being an outlier from “typical” they think it’s broken, and refuse to believe it works that way, even though there will always be players with a streak of bad RNG.
3. Most of the time when anybody supplies ‘data’ to ‘prove their theory’ the data is statistically useless as the sample size is way, way, way too small to demonstrate any effect. Most users do not intuitively understand odds or statistics.
4. The dev’s communication on the issue makes sense if you fully understand how luck works, exactly, under the hood. But if you aren’t fully familiar, their explanations leave a lot of room for interpretation, and a lot of the words they use confuse players because they aren’t necessarily clearly defined. Players don’t know what a “Named” item is, and Players don’t know what “quality” refers to. They’re ambiguous terms with multiple interpretations.

[Kaleb]

lmao bro provided proof

[FatherAeternum]

5 Head recently posted a video where he ran his standard trophy mats run in Ebon, and opened 1000 chests. He did it twice, once with full luck and once without any using his standard combat gear. He produced a statistically significant difference, but it was still as negligible as the numbers would suggest. His conclusion (and mine) is that it helps, but is probably not worth the effort and cost of a full luck scenario.