Ice Gauntlet got all it's damage removed and now people are complaining about the only strong cc it has

[Jaydk]

Yeah you don’t play wars–that’s fine don’t stick your nose in where you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is obvious.

Putrefying Scream decreases targets incoming healing by 30%.
Nullifying oblivion removes buffs (essentially eliminates hatchets from war because you can’t death defy away anymore)
Diminishing Orb cuts opposing buff duration in half

An oblivion and a scream in the middle of a clump makes it difficult to heal them, eliminates their buffs and empowers your team. They absolutely swing the outcome of clumps and point fights.

Throw in ice gauntlet and you get additional roots/slows and an escape in entomb.

[Jaydk]

@Achillez

if you think that Ice Shower is no more powerful than Wrecking Ball, or Mighty Gavel you are either lying or you are delusional.

That’s just wrong man. I can roll away before anyone’s follow-up attack on both of those abilities with as few as 2 freedom perks. Which IMO is a necessity. The problem with ice wall is even touching it slightly removes your ability to dodge away (which again in situations isn’t a bad thing, but the fact that it is instantly applied is the issue).

[Sodalink]

Ice shower is just OP no matter how you defend it, it is the only ability that gets me killed 80% of the time and NO I can’t avoid it while it is casted on top of me in mass fights.

But hey that is not what bugs me the most about it. Every time my character gets Ice Showered I keep rubber banding specially if I use a feral rush to try to get out of it. I lag for like 5-10 secs and my charter gets bounced all over and walks like if I pooped my pants… I now that is part of the debuff, but the lag or something makes it worse.

[Achillez]

@Jaydk

That’s just wrong man

I think you might have misread or misunderstood what I wrote?

[Jaydk]

Seems like you read nothing I wrote. Have a good life!

[Punty]

In other words you want Ice Shower to do nothing at all, present no danger whatsoever to the attacking melee player.

No.

"Please nerf Ice Shower so that the mage can’t hurt me when I am standing on his toes’.

Snowflakes.

[Punty]

First of all, entomb is not an escape…lol. It is a self root, in fact!

Second, everything you listd is a Perk! Not the skills themselves.

Petrifying Scream does NOT reduce healing.

Oblivion does NOT remove buffs.

Orb of Decay does NOT reduce buffs.

Get your facts straight if you want to debate. Everything you mentioned is a perk, without which evrery one of the skills you listed, with the excpetion of Oblivion, is utterly useless without the perk.

The same cannot be said of Grav Well, or Wrecking Ball, or Mighty Gavel, all of which do as much or more CC than Ice Shower, do more damage than Ice Shower, and have more range than Ice Shower, without any perks at all needed.

So, tell me…do you want to move your goalposts again and ask to nerf the perks, or are you going to stand your ground and state that all of those Void Gauntlet skills are powerful in wars without any perks necessary?

[Cypheo]

No, I don’t want them to nerf it. I want them to completely rework the ability. I agree with the suggestion above. What Achilles wrote. That sounds like a very good ability that can be very usefull for both defensive and offensive plays. And, it would require some skills to pull off consistently. The weapon would become more viable alone and it would have a higher skill ceiling. Which is a good thing imo.

You said it should be a defensive ability. Not me. The problem is that you want it to be everything. You want it to stay OP. I don’t get how that is fun. Hopefully it will get fixed before 3v3 arenas.

Either you are just trolling and want to continue to abuse an OP ability, or you are just clueless and don’t understand how broken the ability actually is.

[Punty]

I told you, I take several Ice Showers a day, I get hit with them every OPR, multiple times usually.

They don’t bother me at all. I can still block I can still attack. I am not squishy so I can take a few hits.

The only time they bother me is when I am trying to get through a door and get showered. I usually die then…but that’s what is supposed to happen. That doesn’t make it OP, that makes it functional.

For the record, I don’t consider Grav Well to be OP, either.

Hammer skills are OP in the sense that they can do tons of damage, and they can be chained, but each skill in and of itself is not OP.

Frankly, I find that a lot of players in this game, at least on these forums, are just soft. Soft minded, soft emotionally, and they would rather demand nerfs to other weapons and skills rather than adapt or avoid.

I think if Ice Shower is your biggest obstacle in PVP, then maybe you aren’t nearly as good as you think you are, or your build needs to be changed to adapt.

I think if you run full dex with light armor, for example, then you should die if you get caught in Ice Shower. That’s not because Ice Shower is OP, that is because you are squishy like a marshmallow as a consequence of your build.

I htink if you are a heavy armor melee and you get in Ice Shower and die as a consequence, it’s because you haven’t learned to block, or to attack, when you get caught in one. You are probably just standing there mashing keys that you know aren’t going to work, obsessing over what you can’t do, rather than thinking what you can do, and adapting to stay alive.

That’s what I think about all these people screaming for nerfs to Ice Shower, they are the same people who demanded nerfs to Void Gauntlet, and to Fire Staff, and to Muskets, and it will go on forever, and people need to start calling them on it.

Well, I am calling you on it.

If I go though your post history, I am betting I will find you and the other suspects in this thread have a history of calling for nerfs for just about every mage or Dex build weapon.

What will we find in your post history? Will we find that you have a history of whining and asking for nerfs?

Serious question, I haven’t looked yet.

[Jaydk]

I’m sorry, what?

Entomb is a cleanse, and a fortify while allowing you to reset the board after someone has burned their cooldowns. That is quite literally an escape from the meat of anyone’s rotation. It’s entomb, cleansing pot and away you go.

Again, I’m sorry–do you run without perks? That’s just silly–if you are running a VG those three perks are essential. ESSENTIAL. You might as well not be running it. It would be like running firestaff without empowering fireball or accelerating flame thrower and then calling fireball weak and flamethrower a self root.

Honestly if you were running VG without those ability perks I wouldn’t slot you in my wars–flat out. Almost every weapon has a few required ability perks otherwise you are literally gimping yourself.

So, tell me…do you want to move your goalposts again and ask to nerf the perks, or are you going to stand your ground and state that all of those Void Gauntlet skills are powerful in wars without any perks necessary?

You’re really funny–complaining about moving the goal posts while literally moving the goal posts.

[TheGoodGuyTM]

Ermm, how is Mighty Gavel even brought up in this discussion? LUL, shit is a meme ability unless you literally cannot move because of perpetual roots.

[Cypheo]

You think alot of things, but you do not understand the interactions between abilities in this game imo. It is no point to argue with you. You clearly don’t see the same as me. Your perception of the combat and gameplay is different.

I play with alot of different weapons and builds, including IG. My favorite is Bow. The only weapons I have not played with is GA and Hammer.

I don’t write this feedback because I want IG to be bad. I write because I want it to be better.

I think a rework of Ice Shower to what Achilles suggested would make IG more viable. It would be able to do more plays that sounds fun and interessting. Now it is sadly only viable because of cheese builds that only abuse Ice Shower.

[Punty]

“Escape” means to get away. The mage isn’t going anywhere. You can literally stand there and wait if you want to. Fortification and cleanses are not “escapes”. Before you mention it, neither is drinking health potions. “Escape” means to get away from your attacker…not healing yourself, or cleansing yourself, or buffing yourself, that’s ridiculous.

You mentioned that perks are “Essential” for the those 3 skills in Void Gauntlet. Yes! Correct at last! Do you know why? Because those skills are completely and utterly useless without them! Unlike, say, Grav Well, or Charge, or Bloodlust, or Wrecking Ball, etc

All those skill sneed to be buffed and strengthened, so that they are actually useful without perks. Perks should enhance, not be a necessity to make skills functional.

As for moving Goal Posts…apparently you don’t know what that means either. It doesn’t matter, though, because at least we have common ground that Void Gauntlet needs serious buffing!

@Cypheo I just looked through your post history.

I don’t agree with some of the things you state, but I think I did misjudge you. I think your observations are at least reasonable and thought out, rather than the usual run-of-the-mill “NERF EVERYTHING” crowd around here.

Thus, I apologize for my tone toward you in particular.

[Jaydk]

This all makes total sense now.

You’re the type that I have to expand every single conversation to the point of sheer exhaustion. I have to breakdown and explain to you exactly what you are obviously misconstruing to “win” some sort of argument with some stranger online.

You are both unreasonable and unwilling to concede on anything.

I strongly suggest you invest in some IG/VG mages for your war comps though. VG is clutch in clumps and well, IG is the entire point of this thread.

[Punty]

VG with Void Blade can be clutch in clumps if they all just stand there and try to slug it out.

On my server, melee just kites them and let’s the ranged take them out, mages and bows. Void Blade is no threat unless you just try to melee left click them to death. They can’t escape, they can’t chase, and they are slow. Their utility and mobility is inferior to Great Axe, and their CC is inferior to Warhammer.

[bottemtext]

“VB is not a threat unless you fight it”

[Punty]

If your idea of fighting is left click face tanking, then yeah.

[Jaydk]

Don’t know anyone that allows void blade into war comps.

[Anasthesya]

Well said.