uhhh golden scarabs, refreshing/ref evasion perks, ward perks, fort sacred ground, will of the ancients and you got yourself a perfectly fine build for pve and cheap to craft 
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It’s easy, just remember the names of the LIGHT DPS that run 5 con and if they get downed so many times it’s time to ask them to put on 100 con atleast and USE WARD POTIONS.
There’s no reason for a DPS to run Med+ armor because you lose out on your role’s speciality, and that’s DAMAGE
If you want to play min-maxed you will play the equipload that boosts your role’s performance.
You don’t see healers running med or heavy anymore because Light armor has the healing bonuses.
Being a MED armor dps is pointless because what’s the point of being able to take hits and be a braindead left click spammer when you can use Light and hit for the highest amount you can. If they can’t iframe then make them run more con lol
Just because MED armor is amazing in PvP, doesn’t make it the META for PvE lmao
LoL, this thread.
every dps should strive for 5 con
healers should all be running VG RFM uptime builds so they can maintain 100% oblivion uptime.
iframe your way past everything and clear fast.
if ppl can’t do this then they aren’t playing optimally and you should find better players.
demanding forced trinity in action combat with active iframe is just pitiful.
playing PvE in medium or heavy is actually so undeniably boring the only reason I’d favor it is so ppl stop playing PvE and this game can finally focus on pvp content since that’s the only thing worth logging in for.
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I completely agree with you.
I thought I was the only one who was bothered by this. Most players seem to like the idea of speedrun dungeons with 5 of const.
As you said: It is unplayable right now and I don’t like the thought of dungeons being reduced to a race to the finish line. There are other ways to make them challenging!
They eliminated the diversity of builds and everyone must stick to the same script… So boring
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find 4 ppl that don’t want to run it that way and play with them as static.
ofc ppl are going to optimize for what is fastest way to clear repetitive boring content.
no one should be surprised by this development. it’s the same in any PvE game
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Currently there is a two for one trade off with armor:
Light ——————————>heavy
Mobility/damage————->survivability
There is absolutely no need for “damage” to be a part of that equation. By giving increased damage to light armor builds , the devs have forced dps players to use light armor. Anyone who uses medium does less damage. They also totaly counter balance the trade off. If heavy players take less damage, but light players deal more damage, then there is no trade off. these numbers just cancel out.
The trade off should be as follows:
Mobility —————————>survivability
This makes much more sense. Melee players in m10 don’t need to be mobile , but could still do big damage in medium of heavy. Meanwhile, archers and mages who need mobility to position and kite can do so👌 this would be great in pvp as well where tanks need some love and highly mobile damage dealers need a nerf.
Pls remove damage from armor load out trade offs
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Coming from another healer’s perspective, the cost of ‘usable and completely viable’ M10 gear for any role is 30-40k max per set (assuming you have to craft every piece, which you don’t because of several named drops you can get, i.e. tempestuous, general zhou, forgotten protector, siren’s etc.)
TLDR: Gear cost is not an argument with any grounds.
Speed running has bred a lazy generation of healers, who opt for all aoe (sacred ground, orb or protection, and beacon) which is really effective for clump fighting and braindead in terms of placement decisions. Just throw out all your CDs in the same exact spot and walk up with oblivion, 0 engagement and you become a left click macro like a DPS.
I have always thought that their Con scaling was extremely flawed, and that 5 Con at Level 1 should be the same as 5 Con at Level 60, why is there a base health increase as you level? You shouldn’t get that health unless you purposely spec into having more Con. Maybe make the base HP like 2k or something and mobs deal an appropriately scaled amount for their level based on this change.
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except mobility is irrelevant in pve for the most part. it’s iframes and DMG.
if you remove the DMG everyone shifts to med/hvy and facetanks everything it just gets easier.
as it is you can still clear w med/hvy dps users albeit slowly.
PvE will never be difficult because in invulnerabilty on pve is generally a status effect that has short duration and long cd in most PvE games and fights are designed around them.
nw PvE you can maintain nearly 100% invulnerabilty uptime through proper optimization of healers/dps synergy.
so there is no pt spending anymore time on the content than necessary, which is why 5 con light melee stack w VG/LS healer is bis.
How lol
Don’t be ridiculous. If you’re going to suggest something like this, then the light armor healer should also die in one sho- OOOOH wait you play healer. How convenient for you.
What a weird thing to say.
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Another reason to make light do same damage as medium and buff it for more mobility.
(Revert increase of pause after dodge and revert increased slow on melee hit)
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I agree that it’s hysterical. Make the dmg bonus for light apply to ranged attacks only and reduce the effectiveness of ward and/or lower the armor numbers for light gear.
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Many people only take heavy players with 150-200 con. I personally rarely take light players when doing M10 gold’s due to the fact that a heavy player will out dps a light armor player who is dead and on the ground.
The biggest issue is that light has a damage buff so people think that light is better due to slightly bigger numbers. AGS should remove the dmg buff that light armor gets.
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This hear is the main problem with LA. That damage buff is too big.
I run 50 con in dungeons and 5 con in opr and 150 in arena so dungeon is kinda middle ground
Yes getting pure focus gear is hard cause only healers need it
But when u consider PvP where u have to spend 400k+ for a bis gear that’s some gold i have to spend
And i have 3 PvP healer sets lol
Pve is easy af
So yea one guy said that maybe the base life shouldn’t be 7k but 2k with 5 con and that makes more sense to me.
Guys besides your arguments that I understand, understand also that this is the first mmo where you have those stupid things goin on.
The dungeon are easy? ok is not players fault you know.
But the fact that this equip load is completely a joke is undeniable expecially when I see light armour Tanks right now on youtube. And no, they don’t dodge more than any other tank or any other player that beat dark souls / elden ring.
It’s not entirely a player-created problem. The reason light armor dps can work is because fortify and wards have the same impact on them as they do on medium and heavy armor.
Say light armor gives 15% mitigation, plus average 10% from gems. With full ward (25%), fortify from hatchet light attacks (15%), orb of protection (10% and fort sacred ground (10%) a light armor dps can mitigate 85% of an attack.
Say heavy armor gives another 25% mitigation, well, let me just say, heavy armor doesn’t fully mitigate that damage, it caps out at a certain point, so 85+25 being more than 100% don’t work. But that also means heavy armor mitigation isn’t too impactful, likely only is when you aren’t impacted by some of the listed buffs above.
IMO this game has a major issue regarding how damage and healing is done. One shot mechanics are absolutely lame in an RPG. And the mechanics of this game are based off of them, in both PvE and PvP. Healing should be more about getting enough throughput and keeping mana up. Mana management should be as big or bigger as stam management for (most/many) builds, but with 10s cooldowns on a mana potion that fully restores your mana bar, it’s not.
So part of the issue is entirely on the players who think you have to run 5con light armor for dps, but part of it is on the game mechanics supporting that structure as well. And I say that as someone who has heavy DPS’d every dungeon to gold m10’s, and currently runs Tempest/Depths m10’s as a 15con light/med armor dps.
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The whole problem comes from the mindless application of the damage bonuses by the different weight classes. The melee weapons that by default have higher base damage are getting huge buff by using light armor.
If we have the damage bonuses diversified between the different weight categories we will get more balanced meta. E.g. 2-handed weapons should get their bonus from heavy, 1-handed melee from medium, ranged from light with penalties on damage and accuracy over distance.
Why not address root cause.
Rewarding those that min/max a repeatable dungeon causes this issue.
Remove the tier time award, you have 1hr to complete the dungeon, If you complete it, you get full rewards.
Speed Runners can show off on the leaderboard.
This game was always touted as play like YOU want, but every deployment shows otherwise, maximize your DPS or FAIL to get phat lewt!! that’s silly.
Reduce the Mutation levels to 4, Remove time tier rewards except for leaderboard bragging rights. If that means reducing shard rewards a little fine with that too.
-pantz
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Except that speed running is its own reward. Even if you take the time-based rewards away and make it pass/fail in an hour - a large part of the population will prefer to do it in the most time-effcient way possible. This is evidenced by boss-skips and farming-first-boss-only behavior which is pretty common in this and other games.
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Hold on, this is coming from a healer that used to hang on with very sweaty people. I never invested a dime on PvE gear, just farmed the Sagacious set. I mean, no wards, but that’s fine, you are not supposed to be even close to the damage if the party does their job, and you can still play for cheap, indirectly proportional to the stress level you get with a 5con party build but it works.