The increase in development for artists etc would be huge. e.g. a new gear chest piece now has to be developed as 3 pieces (chest/shoulders/belt) and those pieces have to work with all other combinations of chest/shoulders/belt. You’ve also broken the 1 to 1 mapping of gear<>fashion another complication.
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Yeah it’s a real problem, I’m not sure what the solution would be. Later down the road at some point players wouldn’t like not being able to change their belt and other stuff that’s on the chest plate. It might just be better to leave it as is with the 1 to 1 mapping.
Holy cow.
You know, when you initially said this:
I didn’t want to think that you were ACTUALLY going to go and imply that because I didn’t critique one person enough for you, despite my one statement towards them… being a critique, not a praise, (although an understanding one, since I sympathized with reason why he would get upset) I was associated with them in RL.
I really wanted to believe that was just a weird statement, I put it aside, because the alternative was that you were legitimately discounting my opinion, because I have a female name, and agreed with someone that wasn’t you.
I didn’t respond to your initial post because, beyond that creepy statement, you firmly and enthusiastically missed the point of quite literally everything I was saying, I should have expected this probably, given I read everything, but I wanted to try anyway. Seeing your response however, just informed me pretty clearly you weren’t there to actually exchange ideas, you wanted to win some sort of argument you thought you were having. It confirmed my suspicions, and additionally, made me feel uncomfortable, so much so that I really didn’t even want to look at the thread anymore.
And then, I saw this, when this thread kept popping up repeatedly today:
And I thought, oh, surely I missed something that Alterros said regarding some lady friend or whatever, surely he isn’t implying what I thought with that last really creepy statement he said, right?
and now this.
Do you know why I made this account and messaged on this thread? It was right there in the very first sentence of what I had said to you:
You, based on your statements previous to that post, told me that you were in RP spaces, and that you were in areas I was also in, it also told me that you had a low opinion of people that aren’t acting the way you do.
You’re essentially a peer along with me in the same areas, making a terrible name for people like me, and unfortunately, like you. I said you portrayed yourself with an ego because you couldn’t help but talk about the self importance you feel towards the gear you grinded out or titles you earned, and the bald-faced cruelty you showed people that don’t act the way you want them to, something that was immediate (in your second post), and out of nowhere. I was hoping that if you looked back at what you said, you would understand that it’s not okay, I was hoping that if I phrased it the way I did, that you wouldn’t take offense, because I meant none, but my feelings were earnest.
I wanted to point out the flaws in your understanding of the system, the underlying connection that people form when they create and adventure with their characters, how the outfit they have, how they look, is all parts of that, and that the way you came about getting those appearances is oftentimes secondary to people as a whole. That by supporting a system that is needlessly restrictive, it prevents people from forming those valuable connections both with their character and with each other. I pointed out that that system you want so badly, still exists within the D3 system, it just additionally makes it more accessible for other people that have different values than you, and simplifies the process. I thought OP’s solution was well thought out and I supported it as a baseline to work from, I didn’t feel I needed to criticize him for anything other than getting a little heated.
And then, you decided to assume my gender, assume that my opinions on the matter didn’t matter, and that I was just some sort of ‘employed person sent to dogpile you’ as you so kindly put it in the statement you edited over due to flagging, (since I saw the flagged message, read it, and came back to see the ‘new’ unrelated one) for this person I just happened to agree with.
You are not a kind person, and I would kindly ask that in the future, you not judge me on my appearance, discount my opinions, and then go so far as to insinuate that because I don’t agree with you, and present as a woman, that “I surely must be dating the OP”
Please listen to what I said to you the first time, since you apparently need introspection far more than I initially thought. Until then, please stop being a complete, and total creep, because that was really gross. thanks.
p.s for the rest of you, My next suggestion is that I would love to see the future transmog system combine with a barber system, so we can adjust our hairstyle/face based on our new armor. It would streamline the process so we come out with a more completed look, and avoids needless running around. You can even use angry earth lore to justify an npc that can do this, as they have transfiguration magic, and have transformed into multiple different things in numerous instances.
Yes I think this is similar to my experience really, the problem is that it was yet another thing I had to do for months on end just to get this one thing I wanted. In reality, it shouldn’t have been that hard to just get a virtual t-shirt or pair of pants that otherwise didn’t benefit me at all, when it was roughly the same amount of grind as something that would actually greatly effect my actual performance/gameplay in other areas of the game. Transmogs are purely quality of life improvements, it shouldn’t be excessively hard to access them when they give no one bonuses, and do nothing but let you put on a cool hat. The hilarious thing is, if you wanted to grind out the mogs individually in the d3 system, couldn’t you anyway? like, if you just didn’t buy the set the mystic sold, couldn’t you just run around and get pieces, and those would be added to your set of transmogs regardless? I think if people just… wanted the grind they could just do that. Is it that you don’t have to necessarily grind less worthwhile to them? It’s a little perplexing to me.
Additionally, overall I just can’t subscribe to the idea that giving people choice leads to the lost of individuality. Currently as the game stands, there’s 1-3 crafted sets at engame that almost everyone has to wear to have vaguely decent stats once they hit 60, and still I don’t see the same outfit 10x over when I walk around town. I think we’ll be fine when more choices come out haha!
That’s probably one of my top three primary concerns about having a gear collection system. New World already has lots of repetitive content and grinding for materials, so it really necessitates the question of “Do we really need more time sinks?” in a setting where getting to max level crafting in armor can take longer than a month if you’re a solo player or don’t have a lot of gold in come. It’s very unfriendly to the average player’s time.
Transmog shouldn’t be treated as content; its the armor related counter part of being able to change your hair style. Do barbershops require anything but you to sit down and select a different hair style in every other game? No, of course not, because that would be silly.
There is already a lot of visual variety in towns and PvP considering the very restricted range of cosmetic options that people have at the moment; it’s majority paid for appearances and just re-dyed normal armor, but it’s rare to see people looking exactly the same in any scenario unless that group is doing something intentional to be that way.
Imho The D3 Transmog system is perfect and should be the standard for many games, complimented further by the wardrobe system (templates). What a quantum leap for QOL if AGS adopted these 2 systems as “verbatim” as possible.
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Glad to see your feedback! It’d be so good to just head to your local mystic and customize everything that easily. Do you think there’s something you’d like to add on top of that system if they add it in? Being able to disable certain pieces of gear to have a specific aesthetic as an example. (like with the vanishing Dye in D3) Anything that comes to mind?
One idea I’d really like to see is being able to half-disable equipment, so you could have one shoulder pad on your chestplate, or only one hand gloved and do asymmetrical designs.
Honestly having spent zillions of hours in Diablo, I’m very happy with their system as it is. Your 1/2 transmog idea is very interesting though. Also I would say that if AGS was to adopt a Transmog System anything short of what the D3 system offers, would be a bittersweet QOL improvement.
Your idea of the vanishing skin, would be welcomed for armors, but I would not enjoy that on pvp weapons.
Yeah I don’t think anyone in here as of yet has said we should be allowed to make one weapon look like another weapon simply because it would make people’s weapons too difficult to judge before a fight, invisible ones, even just on your back would be even worse haha!
lol, right
I don’t think there’s a big problem with changing one weapon skin of another of the same weapon though! they did a great job of making the weapons distinctive enough to see fairly well from a distance 
Some restrictions I mentioned in previous posts (dont blame you for not reading, its a short novel up there)
- No cross-weapon transmogs, great axes can only turn into great axes
- Transmogging should cost Azoth to apply the appearance to each piece
- Appearances reference your actual weight total instead of armor class, so that you still have the freedom to mix/match light, medium and heavy armor piece appearances based on the gear you have in that slot
Need to think up some more to round it out properly but those are the basics id imagine would be reasonable
Ya I’m busted lol I did not try to read everything! I basically skimmed thru it.
Can you explain this one a bit? It’s been a long time since i’ve played GW2 personally haha! not sure about anyone else.
I maybe misintepreting, but I you want the leveling the NPC method not to require a separate grind? e.g. if it takes gold then you just use the gold you make normally, you don’t have to actually go and do something extra (farm certain rare mats etc)?
The issue with PvE in MMOs is they need to recycle content as much as possible. So they need give you reasons to farm a boss, run an old dungeon etc. Transmog where you have to collect what you want is an easy win for that.
The assumption is it would be a grind, but they haven’t implemented anything. E.g. They could add a “Fashion Recipe” as a drop from Depths that lets you craft any item from depths, but only as fashion. They could be tradeable like Timeless Shards. There are lots of ways it can be done.
The point I’m trying to make is a NPC which (say) you give gold to level up to me feels like less content than “Oh I’m going to un depths and see if I can get a fashion recipe to make Thorpse Helmet” or “Spam Baines to get xxxx” etc.
A problem is NW suffers from very little solo PvE content, but that doesn’t change that a “find the fashion” system vs “level a NPC using stuff you are doing anway”
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I’m suprized no one has mentioned Real Money in all of this. Skins are the main source of income for lots of large multiplayer games. Tranmog would make the current paid skins pretty much redundant. I would rather have some (smaller) real money cost and keep the game going that a free system that means it dies within a year.
Again there are lots of ways this can be done. I haven’t said ALL transmog would cost money. As I said above I believe this thread would help the devs better if they understood people’s basic requirements rather than “please do this system” e.g. “find fashion” vs “unlock fashion levels”, real money opinions etc.
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Yeah, definitely. I tried to get that point across with it being a “resources you would already have” kind of grind where you’re just sinking gold, green wood, starmetal, maybe azoth, etc. to rank through the NPC, like you do in D3. That part of it got lost a lot in the 400 page essay that’s above so I don’t blame anyone that doesn’t get the whole picture.
Having a separate grind would be a real bummer, so part of the reason this post was made to advocate for the D3 system is that people could come back from a gathering run, sink 1/3rd or maybe half of their resources into the NPC, get a big chunk of appearances unlocked, and just be able to use them. Just something that doesn’t interrupt the rest of your game play at all and could even be bought from the trading post like most other stuff.
I’ll definitely agree having transmog collection is an easy win for recycling PvE content though. It’s always kinda rubbed me the wrong way cause it felt like padding, or fake content with a side-reason being created for people to go there instead of creating or managing new content, or adding on to something with more meaningful purpose like additional crafting materials, new patterns, or timed event stuff.
The TL;DR version of it though for me was always:
- Invest resources you will probably already have / can gather reasonably easy
- Reward players with appearance options that they can use without specifically hunting individual items down
- Avoid breaking the current game play loop and artificially adding value to older content
- Encourage high player freedom without creating more grind to obtain something that is essentially a quality of life feature
It probably comes down to a difference in philosophy for how people view what they consider content / quality of life / necessary as features.
The fashion recipe ideas are good! Something a couple of other people talked about in previous replies were things like adding in Wardrobe or Mirror furnishing items players can make so that you can access the appearance / transmog menu that would normally be available only at the NPC, accessible in your player houses too.
Imagine buying a magically enchanted mirror off of another player that lets you change how you look in your own house! That’d be so cool. There’s no reason why they couldn’t expand on that with unique cosmetic recipes or patterns you find from dungeons like you mentioned on top of a standardized system and it would be a good way to add in some collectibles for the people that like the grind/hunt aspect of finding appearances in the game.
Skins are definitely an important element for the game’s health since that’s a huge money sink for lots of players. Transmog might put a dent in the relevancy of paid skins, but the positive thing to think about is those skins will always be special and still require money to access, which would give them more value with a transmog system in the game since (for a concerning large amount of people) rarity or the lack of access to something determines it’s value.
What they might be able to do is add those paid cosmetic options are something you’re able to preview in the transmog system’s menus in junction with the rest of those appearances but obviously can’t apply them until you buy it, so players can see what they might look like if they did buy the paid skins, and be tempted/teased to invest money if what they’re looking at pairs well with the rest of their look.
You’re right though, it’s important they do it in a way that’s healthy for New World and keeps the lights on so the game is still profitable. I have no doubts they’ll find ways to get money out of us. 
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Why not write a novel next time?
Holy cow. Calm down, dear!
On topic… because personal attacks are kind of icky… I’m feeling encouraged that AGS are considering a transmog system and the ingenuity of the musical instruments makes me think they’ll make it a good overall system.
Let’s do this, AGS!
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It’s better to address it when people are out of line, but yeah, I’d rather just… keep away from talking about that and just focus on the topic at hand.
I really think the musical instruments are going to be a huge success, I’ve been hyped about them since I heard them. It’s a small thing, but it will get a lot of people that are normally pvp into the crafting system, which would be great. I just hope they think about a system for transmogging that would make everyone happy. It should be focused on improving quality of life, not adding grinding content, though personally, I still love the idea of searching for secret costumes, they did it with paintings!