A member of my company went into 3v3 with me yesterday. It was their first time in probably 6 months and probably their 2nd or 3rd overall. They don’t like PvP but wanted to see if they could accomplish the new seasonal activities. They were met by someone telling them to never queue for arena again unless they could queue with only guild members with a statement that just playing the way the game is designed to be played hurts other people.
Identities redacted. My company member didn’t give me permission to use the screenshot and the other person is on these forums. Since this doesn’t explicitly violate the ToS on my reading I don’t see a reason to flame someone in public… But please do better NW.
For AGS, I will add, this is one of many examples and I suspect will get worse with the new seasonal incentives. Lots of people will say just deal with it (I do and so does my guildmate), but this behavior will drive others away from the game. Toxic people will always be toxic for sure, I don’t have a solution.
Once we have cross server, this conundrum can be simplified with Ranked Arena vs Non Ranked Arenas. Make the Ranked Arenas give 2x rewards over the regular Arena, easy solution.
People that want to just practice/get gypsum can go into the non-competitive (fun) game mode, and the try-hards can continue to play arena competitively. In this setup, everyone still gets rewards, but the people that are actively trying to win get better rewards, faster.
I think my guildmate reported it, but I’m doubtful anything would happen. There was no language that was objectionable. Just comments like “never queue for arena again” (before the screenshot obviously) and an unnecessary amount of hostility to someone new to the mode. I don’t know what AGS would ban them for.
Personally, I think that the person telling your guild member to never queue again etc should get banned for attempting to negatively affect someone’s gaming experience, which is against TOS.
The arena has no ranking system, everyone is entitled to play any content that they wish, doesn’t matter if they are the best player in the game or the worst. At the end of the day your guild member shouldn’t take what the person said personally, as long as he had fun playing the content then that’s all that matters.
You will get people like this guy in any and every game from time to time, the best thing to do is ignore him and continue having fun and doing what you want to do, how you want to do it. With an attitude like that I am not surprised he is queueing solo.
GW2, DoTA, LoL, and Smite found the solution to this problem already. 1st instance of a player intentionally feeding or match manipulation, they get hit with a 72 hour suspension from Ranked or PvP, 2nd offense 14 day suspension, 3rd offense 60 days, 4th offense they get to say bye bye to their access to PvP on that account.
That wont work. Double the rewards will just make everyone go to ranked. Why would you spend time doing the same activity for half the reward? That is what peoples mindset will be no matter their skill level.
Maybe add a good reward for being in top X ranked for a season or something but you cant just double the rewards the whole way.
This is why multiplayer is crap. Too much toxicity. Why would a person that never PVPs try to learn how when people take that attitude towards them. Its the same for PVE really. Why people who may normally solo ever want to bother with dungeons when they just going to run into people that get toxic towards them because they didnt have perfect play. People just dont want to deal with that crap anymore.
Unfortunately this is par for the coarse in MMO PVP these days, Go play some GW2 PvP and you will see exactly the same especially at the start of a PVP season whilst people are gaining ranks. Players will just leave what they consider a sub-optimal team frelling over the other 4 team members ( can be 5v5 or 3v3). And if your unlucky enough to drop into bronze, most of the other toons are anet controlled bots.
People seem to think that stuff like this actually matters in real life for some reason.
That’s why I stopped playing arenas. When I started doing pvp, I used to queue up for arenas a lot, I was constantly experimenting with new setups and my gear was generally trash as compared to the million coins gear hardcore pvpers have. On a dead server like mine, I was constantly queuing with the same hardcore arena players that top the leaderboards, you have no chance to learn or develop. Add to that all the toxicity and hate you get in the chat for being a noob pvp player. Even now after improving my pvp game, I still don’t feel like queuing to that game mode until I move to another server or we get cross-server arenas.
I can’t think of any solution to really deal with these toxic elitists other than blocking and maybe reporting in case of abuse because unfortunately, an important portion of our community is toxic af.
This. PvP is always filled with fake PvPers who are really there to collect rewards instead of actually wanting to be serious about PvP. They are just serious about how to get the rewards, even if the best strategy for gain per unit time is loss farming.
And that’s just one issue with existing MMORPG PvP management.
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SWTOR tried the Ranked/Unranked distinction for several years. Didn’t make PvP any better or more popular and they’ve pulled the plug on it so we know it’s a failed experiment. And part of Bioware’s analysis is that Ranked increased toxicity and that decreased participation. Follow-ups on PvP in 7.2 - PvP - SWTOR | Forums
Some people even thought it was the equivalent of having proper leagues to properly match players, but obviously it never ever was.
So now they are back to straight bribes for PvP engagement with their separate PvP-only battle pass.
The truth is, unless a proper league system is implemented, and there is a commitment to not having lopsided matches just so a match pops, PvP will always be a rubbish experience.
Real world sports have a proper league system that doesn’t match Joes versus Pros. And that’s why it works. But MMORPG PvP players and designers think they know better but are really just copying each other’s mistakes.
Re. the OP, the person you mention could have been me - its not, but I had a similar experience. I’ve never done any PvP, I’m the wrong side of 50, so the angry twitch kiddies typically have 30+ years on me and to be perfectly honest, I’m just not that good of a gamer!
That said, I figured I’d give the 3v3 Arenas a whirl. I’ve never done them for gypsums but figured now I could get some season XP as well I’d have a go. I’ve done 9 in total and been verbally abused in 2 of them.
Fortunately, it doesn’t affect me and I don’t care about the abuse, but I won’t be playing (arenas) anymore as I can do without the aggro. I work, have a wife and kids and my free time is precious, there is lots of other stuff to do ingame - but some people might not be as thick-skinned and even if they are, maybe they just want to chill out, do their best and play a game, not suffer the tantrums of idiots.
Hopefully AGS read this thread and figure something out.
or you block and move on LMAO talk about crying about words in a game. Literally move forward in your next match this was soft as far as “toxic” just go to ww area chat if you want to see real toxicity when people are dueling each other.
