Isnt it time to Nerf the Barserk/defy death?

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It very much is a you thing. You dont know how to kill healers, let alone someone with a limited buff every minute and a half. Its not just a 3 button game, there are animation cancels and proper dodging and use of builds involved, not to mention perks.

So one player has the ability to kill both a GS/Hatchet user and a healer? All this nonsense you spew on these forums is literally fantasy, nothing like this ever ever happens in game in reality. It’s all on paper.

No, I am saying you can push a cc button and cc him in his duration of cc. If he zerks, you just cc him. Its not hard.

More fantasy garbage. Every hatchet player waits for the CC to zerk out of it then either proceeds to LMB spam you to death or just zoom away on full haste.

There are so many escape abilities in the game you can push.

No there isn’t and the ones that DO exist are nowhere near enough to get away from GS/Hatchet user. Like it’s not even close and I doubt you even play PVP if you say this, OR you’re a GS/Hatchet user, but extremely garbage. If any of these things work on you and you’re a GS/Hatchet user you must be mechanically horrendous because anyone with a braincell on our server can get away scot free every single time. It’s genuinely obnoxious.

You can literally fly backwards with so many abilities, charge / burnout away, so much you can do to get away from him. You are just tanking the damage, which is a joke because hatchets animations are horribly bad in pvp.

Again, see above. Also hatchet isn’t bad anymore, I know because I’ve used it, and it’s absolutely without a shadow of a doubt hte most mechanically braindead combo in the game. At least musket requires actual aim and those who hate it so much never use it because they know they can’t. The only time hatchets had bad animations was around the time of release and for a couple months after when all your hits would just ghost through enemies.

Everything you complain about in regards to musket is literally worse in the GS/Hatchet in every conceivable way. It’s more oppressive, has more escapes, more damage, meanwhile muskets will literally plink medium bruisers for 800dmg in full BiS.

Muskets atm are the only thing, ironically, keeping bruisers from just annihilating back-lines because they can sit further back and support, and they don’t even do it that well.

Do you even play this game bro? Everything you say is pure fantasy and not how the game actually plays out.

You unironically know nothing about balance, you seriously wanted muskets to be nerfed to only work within 50 metres, but you larp as ex blizzard on these forums to try and lend weight to your god-awful arguments.

Remember you said group finder would kill the game? XDDDDDDDDDDDD

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Many combos do.

Did you try ccing when he comes in?

The fact that you say this makes me cringe as a pvper. Is not bad, why is it not used in wars? Its a cheese weapon. It has one or two cheese builds and works on inexperienced players like you in opr, thats it. Don’t land the cheese? your destined to run around until cds are up. Thats why so many sns/hatchet players are just running in circles, because they missed their bash>hatchet 1 shot combo.

rofl, you do not do 800 dmg to medium useres. Maybe a heavy with range adversion, resil with counter gemming.

Well actually i have around 5000 hours played and i have fought in around 108-110 wars.

I never said that. I said they should not exceed 100m.

I said “pushing a button to get free loot will kill the game”. LFR/LFG do this. I also mentioned that they are “subtle and damage the game over time”.

What weapons are you running?

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Literally skill definition says ure inmune to die for 3 seconds, yet people keep taking hits for free those 3 seconds and complain the skill its OP. Cant you Dodge , move, Dodge and those 3 seconds are done ? If he chased you he Will die un 1 hit, if he used that space for use a potion u should do the same and now he has not that passive on him. He Will run from you or die.

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Did you try ccing when he comes in?

Did you read what I just said?

I never said that. I said they should not exceed 100m.

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No bro. You argued to cap the range of a musket/bow to 40-50m.

rofl, you do not do 800 dmg to medium useres. Maybe a heavy with range adversion, resil with counter gemming.

Yes you do if they have any aversion with shirking and resilient which is 99% of bruisers builds for OPR with a couple of weapon perks throughout. The 800 dmg was actually being generous.

Well actually i have around 5000 hours played and i have fought in around 108-110 wars.

Which server/company? I can’t fathom any semi-decent PVPer arguing against nerfing GS/hatchet.

I said “pushing a button to get free loot will kill the game”. LFR/LFG do this.

No game has this.

I also mentioned that they are “subtle and damage the game over time”.

In your opinion, which was proven wrong, the game has more players since they added the feature. If ‘damaging the game’ means MORE players then by all means damage away.

Many combos do.

Show me one single clip of you doing this where you’re not playing against fresh 60s. Literally one (1) clip.

The fact that you say this makes me cringe as a pvper. Is not bad, why is it not used in wars? Its a cheese weapon. It has one or two cheese builds and works on inexperienced players like you in opr, thats it. Don’t land the cheese? your destined to run around until cds are up. Thats why so many sns/hatchet players are just running in circles, because they missed their bash>hatchet 1 shot combo.

Because war is a completely different setting, and a lot of Assassin’s did actually run hatchet until GS came out. It’s why companies run only one dex group in wars despite inexperienced players like you crying day in day out for musket and bow nerfs. FS is also strong in arenas but you won’t see a single FS in wars and the ones in OPR are usually just trolling around experimenting with it.

You’ve been proven repeatedly to be a liar and a bad faith debater in this and many other threads. You just say things in an authoritative manner with zero evidence whatsoever, regularly.

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Where’s the ‘I told you so’? It’s been a year bro.

Keep larping as a WoW dev, until you actually prove it then obviously everyone is just going to dismiss your garbage here for what it is.

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it cant be removed. You dont have to wait the duration. You also can stop them from doing things during that period.

I negated from that post and moved over to 100m which i advocated for many more posts. I have played every weapon in the game for the most part (wh is the exception) and I strongly believe t hat musket and bow should be at much closer ranges. Shooter stance should be deleted, and the concept of sniper zoom should be deleted from the game. musket should of never got hitscan. This is not an FPS. Go play those games if you want those types of combat. This was yet another horrible design choice made by the combat class lead (david hall).

You can shoot 200m. You are crying about now being able to shoot people from 1/3rd of the playable map and your mad someone gets the drop on you because you wannt sit and play camp.

When was that proven wrong?

You will get launched at If you try to run hatchet in war. I have been in competitive (top war rosters) since the early access release of the game.

You are 110% wrong about this. LFG and LFR will kill a game. Whats even more amazing is that not only do we have normal wow’s history to prove this we are now fast approaching that period of time in classic where we can see it happen, AGAIN.

Evidence was provided to prove this. It does not take a genius to go and look at the metric data of the population rates and compare them with the release dates. pushing a button to get free loot kills companies. period.

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I know It, just wanted to present the easiest way to be successfull in this situation.

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Hatchet needs serious love for pvp and most of the problems are around the animation lock and inaccuracy of the abilities. It works good in pve because npcs dont move around a lot.

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I disagree here, his performance as secondary/scape weapon its amazing. Tunning up anything in this weapon right now could be a mess.

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Any weapon that is fundamentally used for a cooldown is a problem. Its bad class design. In general, every weapon in the game suffers from overly long animations and animation locking. Its horrible for balance, not just for pve but also pvp.

In general i think that weapon animations should not exceed 300ms

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Some suffer it more than others ( crying flames ) but yes all of em do. They got this reaction time on purpose to target a bigger number of players. Wich apparently didnt work.

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wall of dishonest nonsense

I repeat:

Show me one single clip of you doing this where you’re not playing against fresh 60s. Literally one (1) clip.

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I asked you what weapons you were running, so i could teach you how YOU can beat them.
This is not about me, its about you and your inability to deal with hatchets and crying about one of the weakest ultimates in the game.

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You are 110% wrong about this. LFG and LFR will kill a game. Whats even more amazing is that not only do we have normal wow’s history to prove this we are now fast approaching that period of time in classic where we can see it happen, AGAIN.

Wrong, elitist boomer opinion backed by zero evidence or statistics. No evidence provided whatsoever, just like all your awful takes.

Evidence was provided to prove this. It does not take a genius to go and look at the metric data of the population rates and compare them with the release dates. pushing a button to get free loot kills companies. period.

There was zero evidence posted in that thread, besides some screenshots of an empty garbage new zone that nobody liked being in. Oribos was universally despised. There is literally not a single MMO that has ‘push button get free loot’. If a system like that actually existed then hell I’d be against it too. But it doesn’t. The worst offender is WoW with LFR which is the most basic, zero mechanic, bottom of the barrel dumbed-down content and you still have to find groups in chat/group finder to raid heroics/mythics. Even without this there is no ‘social element’ that you keep bringing up. There’s nothing ‘social’ about spamming ‘need tank M10 genesis’ for 15 mins before someone joins, does the dungeon, then never speaks to you again.

You will get launched at If you try to run hatchet in war. I have been in competitive (top war rosters) since the early access release of the game.

I know you’re lying because you refuse to name a single company or player you’ve played with. You’re again just asserting nonsense with zero evidence or credibility.

I asked you what weapons you were running, so i could teach you how YOU can beat them.

And I asked you to link one video of you outplaying healer & GS/hatchet which you said can be done with a certain combo, but you won’t like it, because it’ll show you char name which will out you as a lying nobody.

This is not about me, its about you and your inability to deal with hatchets and crying about one of the weakest ultimates in the game.

‘If I keep saying it’s a weak ultimate that makes it true!!!’

No. It’s an undying combined with a purge/freedom on players with full haste. It’s literally the most rewarding ultimate in the game for how mechanically demanding it is to play.

You’re the one who keeps crying about musket because you can’t hide behind cover, equip shield, do anything except unga bunga greatsword/hatchet. It’s fine bro, you have already shown the forum for what you are.

When was that proven wrong?

When the player numbers INCREASED after they added group finder despite you saying they would DECREASE. IT IS THE LITERAL DEFINITION OF BEING WRONG WHEN YOU SAY ONE THING WILL HAPPEN AND THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE HAPPENS. Just italicizing this since no doubt you’ll backpedal on the definition of being right/wrong just like you did with winning/losing.

You can shoot 200m. You are crying about now being able to shoot people from 1/3rd of the playable map and your mad someone gets the drop on you because you wannt sit and play camp.

No you cannot, you are, AGAIN lying. You can shoot between 100 and 130 metres and even then it’s near impossible due to lag/desync with player models and hitboxes. Players completely derender after 135 metres. If a musket player is able ot hit you with 5/6 shots at this range consistently then you deserve to die honestly. You have pots, movement, cover, other musket players on your team to deal with them, the possibilities are endless, but this doesn’t matter to you, you are unga bunga left click lunge spam warrior who wants to just auto-track squishies to death with zero competition. You’re not a PVPer you’re a PKer.

You said you played every weapon but again you’re lying.

All you do is lie. All day every day on these forums every post from you is a complete lie.

Notice how every single fact I’ve asserted in this thread has been backed up with facts meanwhile you give nonsense rhetoric about ‘how to outplay’ someone which is utter headcanon fantasy that doesn’t play out in an actual match.

I negated from that post and moved over to 100m which i advocated for many more posts. I have played every weapon in the game for the most part (wh is the exception) and I strongly believe t hat musket and bow should be at much closer ranges. Shooter stance should be deleted, and the concept of sniper zoom should be deleted from the game. musket should of never got hitscan. This is not an FPS. Go play those games if you want those types of combat. This was yet another horrible design choice made by the combat class lead (david hall).

No. I played this game because it was supposed to be an action combat MMO. Bow & Musket precision aiming is a part of action combat. If you don’t like it you can go play something else :slight_smile:

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I asked you what weapons you were running, so i could teach you how YOU can beat them.

Such a mindblowing lack of self-awareness.

I already said multiple times I use bow/spear/musket/rapier depending on how I’m feeling.

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Found you advocating AGAIN for a hard cap of 50 metres for musket :slight_smile:

I’m no longer going to speak with you, every comment and post from you is just deriding PVP players while pretending to be a PVP player. Telling other people their opinions are wrong because you were a ‘senior wow designer with decades of experience’ yet speaks on the forums like an illiterate child.

You are a COMPULSIVE liar and it has been proven time and time again, just looking over your post history and how you get absolutely BTFO’d in every single thread was an absolute joy to relive. Embarrassing.

I honest to god believe you have some sort of mental illness because when you lie or make a statement of fact, and are subsequently proven wrong, you just continue on with making the same statements as if nothing happened.

If you were a PVP player in New World you would prove it. Literally just show your achievements or something. You could prove any number of your claims in any number of ways without doxxing yourself but you literally refuse to do it. Because you are a LIAR.

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they do give reduced rewards its half of a win

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Iv never found hatchet hard to dodge, i do find Gs to be like a homing missile from the sky that’s impossible to evade.

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It’s the combination of the two weapon that’s impossible to avoid, the relentless rush on these garbage servers is so fast and travels so far and on these garbage third world servers it’s legitimately impossible to dodge roll properly like 75% of the time, plus people are max haste 24/7 in OPR now with these two weapons and zephyr cakes.

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Sounds like BB needs a nerf too then!