I am not trolling, here are the points I am making, feel free to rebut them if you can.
Every single gold created on any server is created “out of thin air”.
Every single gold that is created and is not removed via a gold sink creates some degree of inflation.
if too much gold is created it CAN lead to an amount of inflation that is bad for the overall game experience, but I have seen no evidence that this is happening.
Here are the prices of some goods on my server right now (I run current prices through a spreadsheet regularly in order to determine if it it is profitable to buy materials and create end goods)
These prices seem reasonable to me, in all cases the cost of each good is in line with the cost of the components to create it and the very basic component (iron ore) is being sold for a fair price.
I see no evidence of hyperinflation on my server and I will be happy to break down other goods if you want more examples.
I agree, once again, that the system that funnels so much wealth into so few hands is bad for the game but, once again, that has NOTHING to do with the “legal dupe” created by the current tax “tweaks”. They could eliminate the “tweak” today and that problem would still exist.
Do you have any evidence (you know, numbers) that there is hyperinflation on your server and that it is hurting the overall game experience?
Good that the prices seem reasonable to you. They would also seem reasonable to me if I were getting 3m gold a week from an exploit.
You can defend your points all you want, it is clear to us you are on the “winning” side of the exploit. It’s just that this exploit is ruining the game for the 99% of players that do not own windsward and everfall.
Keep the replies up though, this visibility is clearly good for getting this pesky exploit fixed. Thank you for that🤌
I am not getting 3m gold a week. I am in a company that currently holds no territory.
Can you refute any of them? I laid them out clearly, logically and without any attacks. Can you tell me which of them are incorrect and why? Do you not find the prices I listed to be reasonable? Do you have ANY actual facts to back up your assertions?
This needs to happen. Our server, every territory is purple, the money they must have will be absurd. That should NEVER be the case in an MMO. Agreed treasury, maybe they can only use territory gold for repairing for all members of that faction/company, figure out the small stuff AGS.
This thread is a great example of when someone intentionally misuses terminology in order to try and reinforce the point they are making.
It may be that Amazon’s decision to essentially print money (by disconnecting the actual taxes paid by players from the revenues received by town owners) is bad for the economy. But it is not duping of any kind, legal or otherwise.
Perhaps someone is; but it is not necessary that they be envious of the revenues received to have an opinion on whether the dramatic inflation of gold available in the economy is a good or bad thing. So the people in this thread may not care one way or another if they are the owners of said towns, or if they personally are getting any of that money; and at the same time still comment on the topic.
That’s me, for instance. My company has never owned a town. I really don’t care if town owners are getting rich in general. I do care, however, that how rich they get is due to an artificial multiplication of the actual revenues they are generating because I think that any time you disconnect ‘work done’ from ‘reward received’ there will be unintended negative consequences to any economy that is nominally based upon those two things.
The current 2% paid = 20% received model needs to end. It was supposed to be temporary and has gone on far too long. Eliminate it and force settlement owners to compete for homeowners based on actual tax rates again because right now companies are being unfairly (yes it’s by design so it’s not duping in any way, shape, or form) enriched.
While AGS may well have intended it as a method to inject gold into the economy and hoped for some trickle down effects it’s also true that trickle down economics has never worked - it just helps the rich get richer.
Your entire complaint is that this tax “tweak” is ruining the economy. I am pointing out that this is not happening. How is this comment “dumb”?
This is literally fact. You not understanding this doesn’t make it “dumb”.
You have no valid argument so I should kill myself? Classy.
Let’s say they turned off this “tweak” today. How would it fix the problem you are complaining about? The owners of those towns would still be getting MILLIONS of coins a week, and everyone would be poorer because they were paying the full tax.
You claim that this is causing so much inflation that it is causing harm to the game experience but have shown no evidence to support this. I even posted some prices I am seeing and shown that the they don’t seem to be inflated at all and your response is to call my comment dumb and to tell me to kill myself.
I will ask again (although we all know the answer by now):
Do you have any evidence to support the claim that this injection of coins is causing harm to the game?
Here are some other prices on my server, which do you find to be excessive or inflated?
Fibers: .09
Stone: .14
Oil .28
green wood: .09
These are the most basic gatherable resources, they are the building blocks of most other crafting resources and the prices of the refined goods are based on these.
Which of these are inflated to such a degree that it is harming the game?
The problem is more complicated than that. Most people seem to be basing their choice of home location on more than just tax rate. A lot of people are willing to pay more for the continence of having a home in one of the central territories because it make travel easier/cheaper.
The entire system is an example of “good idea in theory but horrible in practice” and needs to end.
Those are indeed higher than the prices I posted, clearly there is some variation between servers. I would be interested in seeing the prices of these same goods from other people. It would be nice if there were an API to automatically pull this data from the servers and track it somehow.
Trickle down economics has always worked. The rich don’t just throw their money into a big pool and swim in it like Scrooge McDuck. They spend it on goods and services and they invest it; they create businesses that create other goods and services and they employ people. All of these things generate even more economic activity. Yes, the rich get richer; but so too does everyone else around them. The economy is like a giant pool and everyone is swimming in it together. Yes, the rich might be in the deep end and the poor might be in the shallow; but what the rich are doing is just adding water to the pool and everyone benefits.
Ultimately, yes, the rich are getting richer. They might even be getting richer faster than I am. But I don’t care, because I am also getting richer, and I really don’t care how much more they have than me as long as I have more than I had before.
Baseless accusations instead of providing any facts or evidence, this is not at all surprising.
Did you miss the posts where I said the whole system is broken and needs to end completely?
I am not defending this system, I am not RWT, and I am not at all wealthy in game.
I am calling out your poor assertions because you are wrong. It is possible for you to be incorrect AND the system to be broken at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive.
