This thread is a classic case of how pvp and pve do not mix and one suffers for the other always and both groups end up “fighting”.
Balance and homogenize skills/weapon/gear for pvp and pve suffers and vice versa.
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Where did you ever write: “to be clear, I don’t advocate for the lifestaff users to be free kills, the better player should win the encounter. Lifestaff or dps.” ?
Anyway, you should look at you, it is clear that you want healers to be killed somehow easier, and you don’t accept that it is harder to kill them by design. So you want to change the design, so you can kill them. But no, that is not right, or just, or balanced. Healers are nearly unkillable in any mmo with healers and world pvp and there is already a history of reasons and debates on the topic.
Accept that the game is like that.
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Literally in the opening post.
And nice argumentation. “it is like this because I want it to be like this” “its not fair or just that you want to be able to kill me”.
stop trying to nerf my Lifestaff
Pure gold
And also interesting is how you tell me that I’m not skilled enough to kill a healer, but then write
PvP healer in any mmo (with pvp and healing roles) is as immortal in 1v1 as the New World healers
Choose one.
The two statements do not contradict themselves, a PvP healer in any mmo (with pvp and healing roles) is as immortal in 1v1 as the New World healers, and because of that you want that something changes (a nerf) in the design of NW. To the extreme, and with some sarcasm, this can be brought on so that any build that an unskilled dps can’t kill easily should be nerfed.
Besides, do you have a company ?
If you have a company, go to your company’s chat, discuss and debate with your healers first, the healers that you depend on in wars and instances. Tell them that you absolutely want a nerf for the lifestaff, reach a consensus with them, and then you can come back here with some more healers at your side and present more easily to everyone your proposed solution.
That would make things easier for you and everyone else to understand.
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The meta in wars is lifestaff greataxe and mages. Thats actually the meta for the entire game you will be the best at small scale wars 1v1 and pve with lifestaff greataxe. Dont balance entirely around 1v1s but also dont forget they are atill part of the game
No. Don’t balance around 1v1 at all. Games falling into the trap of trying to appease 1v1 players always turn to shit.
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Do you think removing unkillable builds unbalances the wars?
Probably not, but if you want that, argue from a War perspective, not a 1v1 perspective.
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yeah good point, maybe this would be a more appealing point of view to discuss from for a lot of people. I personally believe though that small scale is just as much part of the core game as large scale pvp.
Is there any videos where healers showing their successfull kill series in pvp? Because i see the balance, he cant be killed, by he cant kill anyone. If there are any counter examples, anyone can show it?
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Idea of killing healer main in 1v1 is stupid, like they are using 300 Focus to make the healing more and more Powerful like DPS classes use other stat to make there damage better.
Since 300 Focus is in there only 2 option left either they do give rest of the stat to CONS which they need to if they dont wanna get one shotted or they can put stats in STR-DEX-INT so when they try to do damage they get one shotted since they dont have good Healt bar to stay alive.
If you wanna kill the off hand Life Staff users its easy to make, just decrace the basic healing from all the skills of Life Staff and make it more scale from FOCUS which makes the same resault with 300 FOCUS + DPS stat.
They either do puts points in DPS stat + Focus which they will have just few K of Healt or they gonna put rest of the point to CONS like everyone do, so Off Hand life staff builds will be gone since healing is not good without a Focus Stat. But nerfing the Healer class heals is just stupid like what you want them to do while they just wanna do more and more healing ?, since they cant even do more than 500 damage to players who have Healt around 10k you can just eat a food getting fast regen buff and TA DA your hp is going up not down.
Also in 1v1 or in Duel game is not forbidden you to not use any potion of food, you can just use them like everyone do in open world PVP.
If you wanna nerf the healing there is only one option left in there, which is boosting Damage of the Healer which makes alot of other ppl cry about since its do more damage and do little bit of healing ppl wanna ask to remove Life Staff which is gonna ruin the game.
There are players just wanna heal and support the other players, not everyone is solo 1v1 player.
Healer gonna Heal and hater gonna hate. 
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2 duels recently. Both with the same pattern.
hatchet + life staff
ice gauntlet + life staff
is this going to be the goal of the game? if so I will end up turning off my pvp and I will go to farm until they do something.
Where is the grace to face a weapon that literally only has to throw a skill to the ground to regenerate all its life.
it’s a duel bro
let’s re balance the game cause your ego got hurt
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Every time I read one of these crybaby posts about life staff, I read it to actually mean
“I’m a lvl 60 scumbag who camps low zones flagged so I can hunt lowbies trying to farm faction PvP quests and I can’t kill healers in questing gear”
Get rekd cry baby.
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Let me ask you 2 question
Are thoes Players is Healer(Focus) main?
If they are how you manage to die ?
As a Healer(focus) main I used all the weapons as a secondry and none of them give me enough power to kill anyone in 1v1.
If they are not attacking me blindly and makes me hit him/her freely like no dodge or run away just sit still and attack.
Remember all Weapons in any mmorpg do damage, some of them do tons of damage and some of them little bit of damage.
So if you think its a healer and no need to dodge or put distance when your healt in danger sorry but its not the weapon OP its just you dont get the idea of how weapons works.
Life staff do around 500 damage and ppl have around 10k HP even you sit still, its take more than 20 Auto until you die. Unlike other weapons Life Staff have small cast time in Light Attack so ppl can dodge it easly, ofc if you are not face to face pvp all the time.
While your opponent using Life Staff you only need to dodge the range attack or put distance between you and your target so you can use potion and food which makes your Healt go up non stop since, if you use food which gives HP Regen that food gives you fast & slow HP regen as long as you eat again and again you get like 200 hp per second every 10 second, or you can everyone do against me in 1v1 use a potion while i try to drop your hp low and ta da your hp is Full or near full so all the work i was trying to do is gone, like potions dont have high cooldown you are basickly immortal against Healer(focus) main.
Ofc if you are using potion and food lower level than you can use OFC you gonna die.
But there is not enough damage to Healer(Focus) main to kill someone, if they are not bad players sit still and attack you blindly or not using the food and potion.
But if you talk about secondry Life Staff builds like i said few line up ofc they can remove basic healing of the Life Staff and add more scailing with Focus.
Like i dont get it, Why ppl complaint about Healer class Heals them self against 2 or 3 player ? like in group PVP ofc they should survive few seconds or more if enemy players cant combine right with their abilities. Imagine in group pvp Healer need to use heavy gear order to not get one shot and getting killed by 1 or 2 player while they dont have mobility or not enough damage to fight against the enemy.
Like imagine Tank main players getting one shot in 1v1 while their main goal to stay alive as much as possible.
There are different styles of playing and there will be always best Class all the time. Atm thats are Any main weapon with Off Hand Life Staff. Tomorrow maybe gonna be Full Damage builds like Fire Staff + Rapier to one shot ppl. You guys need to realise its a MMORPG there will be always Best Gear and Best Weapon. There is no mmorpg all the classes and items ar equal. If you wanna 100% balanced PVP there are tons of other games and private servers just focused balanced version of the games.
As i experienced if you are facing 3 Player know what they are doing, there is no way you can outheal the damage you take since they gonna do CC chain on you and even 2 ppl if they do it right can do CC combo and kill the Healer(Focus) main player.
If you wanna kill the player who only focused to heal ppl and them self sadly you shoudnt able to kill it, ofc if you 2 should have same amount of skilled.
Balancing PVP around duels has never, ever been a good idea. 2v2 & 3v3 is a whole different situation, especially since there is no DR on stuns in this game. If you want good balancing look at WoW’s PVP. You’re not going to get much better than that. Currently you can be stunned infinitely.
I was able to tank 3-4 melee for 10-15 seconds before they got me in a war earlier today when a caster got involved. With practice I can probably do better. That seems good to me. Your goal is to knock the healer out of circles and then stun/nuke them.
I can’t kill anyone with my secondary weapon(hatchet or sword) in a 1v1 situation. It’s just not happening unless I heal myself. I’m full focus/con with T4 armor and T5 staff.
The physics in this game are super wonky. Until then, PVP in this game is not that good. There’s very little strategy/depth involved.
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Life staff is fine. Its really needed especially in harder pve content. However, the problem in pvp is that there are nearly NO heal debuff abilities. I think the only one is in hatchet, and i think it lasts like 8 seconds max.
Anyway most weapons need a healing debuff that cant be dispelled (can pretty much dispel any debuff with life staff heavy attack if you take the perk) and that will balance healers in pvp.
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this guy gets it. don’t nerf the healer, skill up the dps.
U misplay every single skill on spear. u can Easly kill healers while in aoe healing. u just have to use “Aggressive Maneuvers” [Talent] every single spell so u can perma CC him. i think u have to learn more about new world pvp and knowledge before make post about complain balance. Read your skills and learn it instead of copy builds on internet. thats not a flame post, just a tip. I’m using spear too. if u need some tips, write me. have a nice day bro! and GL in NW!
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