If a farmer/crafter sells to the end customer, it is direct trading.
Not margin trading, aka buy stuff you don’t need with money for making more money.
Failed try of suggestive phrasing.
If farmers sell for 0.02 in general, 0.02 IS the regular market price.
You have no counter-arguments that make any sense.
I can reasonable speculate that you’re the minority on wanting this since almost every mmo economy if it has a market place / auction house, it’s a free open market.
If you don’t agree with the way the market works and want it your way you’re fighting an uphill battle that will not likely ever be implemented in any mmo.
I’ve given plenty of reasonable counter arguments to your main point and whether you want to acknowledge them or not doesn’t really matter.
Just changing the system to a one time trade will not solve the problem the way you think it will.
It worked fine in other MMOs.
It’s even already in NW.
(even though @JackRackEm was not able to find a single one 
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You just assume that this particular farmer makes the regular market price and that is fault in your thought process.
I don’t.
Buyers make the regular market price. Since there is nothing you are dependent on (like in RL).
i mean what this creates is always a buyer for your goods, and always a seller if you really need something. this is what pretty much allows the instant sale and instant buy kind of thing if your in a rush to buy or need quick cash if your low but dont wanna wait. they provide instant money, they wait FOR YOU to sell the item, and their waiting time is that margin they make. its bassicly flipping basics afaik because if everyone had patience, flippers would go extinct real quick.
What other mmo’s is this system used in? I’ve never played on an mmo with this market system.
runescape GE is actually sort of simular, just here we have taxes
He does something to earn it?
He risked his gold and was able to make profits from it.
the ammount of times ive been praying that a risk of high investment isnt backfiring or the prices dont change drasticly over the next few days xD
A few clicks within a few seconds. wow. impressive! /golfclap
What’s next? Onlyfans/YT/Twitch is “work”?!
World of Warcraft comes to my mind.
There was a resource called “Spirit of Harmony”. It was BoP and used to craft a lot of stuff that was tradeable/BoE.
Also NW.
Repair Parts are BoP. You can use them to craft Repair Kits which can be traded/sold in the TP.
I think the first issue here is the idea that these players are ‘lazy’. I mean we all are playing for enjoyment. This is not our livelihood. Next, these kind of players tend to spend a lot of their gaming time looking at trades. They try to search for bargains to come up, meaning someone who wants to shift something fast because they want coins fast. You may invest your time/what you enjoy doing into running quests, exploring, maybe gathering, whatever it is you choose to do to gain enjoyment from your play time. These market players enjoy watching the market, it brings them satisfaction to find a bargain, or to analyse where they can possibly make a profit.
That is not ‘lazy’, but just prioritizing their game time on something probably different to what you prioritise. It would not be my thing, ie I am not doing it.
Next, the so called real world is for example very different when it comes to harvest. There is a growing season, and after all the grain has been bought up, that’s it, no more grain until the next season. Now those who bought up the grain, can see where to set the price. If it was a good year for grain, there is more competition among traders and the prices tend to be lower. A bad season and grain goes up in price.
The game has no growing season. The nodes return over and over. Here it simply comes down to how many people are busy harvesting them, and how many players need/want what gets harvested. This can fluctuate. You could have 10 players harvesting happily all night, quit same time. Now there will be less nodes harvested, if other night players are not into gathering. This could create a shortfall and the demand may will rise above the supply. This however is not something a trader can foresee as such, although they could watch the change and now focus on buying whatever does not seem to be supplied as much, theoretically creating a bottleneck for the demand, but really only for a short time, because other players catch on as well, seeing there is a material suddenly selling for more, so they very possibly will start harvesting it to make money too.
You can have the developers announce a resource will be cut with a coming update. We saw this happening with refining, where the loot from boxes was reduced. Any player able to, not just traders, if smart, will have rushed to the trading posts and bought what they could while the prices were very low, because there had been more supply then demand for it. Certainly many traders will have done so, knowing they in the future would be getting higher prices for these now rarer materials, which regardless are always needed.
Traders are not lazy, they just invest their time differently. They can not control supply nor demand, they can only place educated guesses and watch and hope their guesses were correct. They tend to rather look for bargains, over buying all materials up, because there is no ‘end of season’. Your example with the salt is flawed because there will be lots of salt in the trading post, reason it dropped to 0.1. This means it is easy to come by, and even IF a trader would buy ALL salt, they can not stop the salt from still rolling in. They re-list their salt for the higher price you mentioned - and the next gatherer running into town will undercut, and then the next, and the next. Clearly there was more supply than demand, and so the prices will just drop and drop again. You can not create a bottleneck with items of that sort.
Now rare items, that’s a different matter. Where the demand totally outstrips the supply. Here a trader in theory could create a bottleneck, but it would mean such high investment, it’s usually not something that happens, simply because a trader would have to first amass insane amounts of wealth to buy all these rare items (still also being in competition with other traders, mind you, they regulate each other as well) and then hope and pray players will be willing to pay whatever the trader has to slap on top, because this game has taxes, so it’s not as clear cut as to say - I buy for 100 gold and that’s all I pay. They pay 100 gold and then tax, and then a tax for listing it again. That can get simply too much, and even with this - the next player rolling into town with such an item in their bag, will happily undercut them.
I think in these games, it is mostly about bargain hunting, and that takes a lot of time investment, so as already said, that’s not ‘lazy’.
amen
Wow! I’m astonished! So you DO realize how market works. Explain to me now from were came all that bullshit you said earlier then?!
i actually wish there was a downvote button on this particular post, i bet it would be skyhigh
Just looking at the thumbnail that sounds and looks like biggest clickbait garbage factory of a video ever. I didn’t even click it and felt like I got scammed anyway.
Sure. Just ask what you have not understood.
I’ll do my best to get through your economy class indoctrination/brainwashing.
In a socialist world anyone making more money than anyone else is deemed evil.
Anything not earned by manual labor, is a theft, as is anything not given to the collective to be redistributed by the ruling socialist at the time.
Objection to this way of life is usually met with severe penalties.
Socialism has no business in an MMOrpg fantasy game though. So, not to worry.
And as soon as someone can point out to me how they can charge 3 times the rent for my house in windsward, without doing so for everyone, I will not see the actions described by OP as harmful in any way to the game. If you dont like a price, simply dont buy it.
I already did ask but I will ask again.
Explain to me now FROM WHERE ALL THAT BULLSHIT FROM BEFORE CAME!?
Okay, you are out of touch and have no idea how trading works. If you think it’s just a couple of clicks, and you’re done.
I have played every MMO release since I can remember, UO, Soul of Ultimate Nation, Lineage ect and have always been a trader.
I take about 1 hour per day in the game to research trading posts, have a spreadsheet to follow market trends, I calculate everything for profits; if I can buy low and refine or craft something to make profits, I will. It’s not a few clicks, as you said. It’s a lot of research, and sometimes I fail; sometimes I get rich overnight.
So you telling me that I’m leeching others’ work for money is quite insulting. I put a lot of time into trading. Yes, trading is not for everyone. Some people sell things without knowing the value or are at a loss as they have no idea how to make gold, and I assume you felt in that category with such a thread.
But it’s not because you don’t understand how trading and market work that everyone is leeching from your hard work?
And btw if you think YouTubers/streamers/comedians/artists are not “true” jobs, there is a more severe problem. May I ask how old you are? Have you had a job before?
