Linked markets: was i wrong?

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Adderstone’s are a bad example due to a lot of recent changes involving luck.

Here’s a better one:

Anyone with a brain and like…any meaningful amount of time playing an MMO knew this was going to happen. Legit people just standing around waiting on OPR to pop while they play the market from a centralized point.

These developers are morons, flat out, whoever is in charge of final decisions at the New World studio killed this game, nobody else.

Advertising a unique economy as one of the key facets of your game and removing it 2 months into release, along with all the horrible things going on elsewhere in the game. They don’t deserve to be employed.

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wtf? how do you drop this, 5g seems overkill lmao

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They were 150 - 400 before the markets merged. That screen shot was taken on November 21st.

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My server has them for 75g each at the moment.

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Why would people want to go to other areas is the question.

Most players converge to a central location in a lot of games that have cities.

Realistically it’s easier to craft/gather and trade in lower lvl areas because resources are plentiful and don’t offer much resistance as far as mobs go.

An example of a higher lvl hub was dalaran in World of warcraft. There were vendors you had to access and you could do dungeons from ect.

I’m this game in particular I don’t see a reason to be in ebonscale. Linked markets aren’t causing prices to go down but it’s easier to obtain because of pvp luck and bots.

On my server which we don’t have many bots and is very low pop silvers are 500G a piece and was 6-700G a piece before the patch.

Edit: markets stabilize all the time around Central markets and I really believe the people that are blaming it solely on linked markets never played a game with a stable player base and economy.

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Linked markets are good for dead servers. It’s a good stopgap measure to slow the decay on those servers (as people get frustrated by lack of items on market). However they need to be unlinked prior to server merges. The moment population rebounds, the linked markets just make central cities with convenient layouts (EF and WW) even more popular.

MD has a great layout, but is untenable without a house due to Azoth costs. Cities with agonizing layouts, like MB, FL and Restless, are always going to suffer without some other incentive. Reek is also terrible, but a lot of people set recall here if it isn’t in GC or SM.

For the merge, they need to unlink markets and then allow a one-time housing refund - as in, be able to “sell” your houses at cost in order to move to another city. This will allow people to move to other territories more easily. Otherwise, all the tax changes, market changes, or etc in the world aren’t going to do anything if people have already established their houses and trophies in EF and WW, which many have.

They also need to remove or greatly increase cap on Azoth, reduce Azoth travel costs by half, and make it so that doing corruption portals actually can prevent invasions or reduce invasion waves. All those changes would make territory ownership in outlying territories a lot more palatable.

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Only thing i can think of would be to limit the amount of crafting stations each town could upgrade so that no single settlement could have t5 of everything. if WW was only able to max the outfitting station and EF was the Forge then Brightwood could do Alchemy and MB the cooking place, etc. Towns could then coordinate what buff they run to the station they upgraded. This would force players to spread across the map for crafting which would lead to them also buying houses in that town.

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Regardless of why they implemented the effect is not what they thought.

Sure people throw the odd bit of loot on a random AH now rather than take it back to a main trade centre and yes if a remote settlement maintains a particular trade at level V people may move their crafting there - BUT the main effect is people can now do almost all their crafting at one place and not move it around to list it at different spots- and that “one place” usually is Windsward or Everfall.

The effect of this change is the opposite of what they expected.

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Like most things, it’s not just one reason. I think you’re right about lack of population. I also think people have a point about luck playing a factor. BUT, at the same time, linking the Trading Posts, imo, was the biggest factor by far and most of us could predict it. But, even if it’s not the biggest reason, it’s still one of the many reasons, and it was a bad decision. It just made something that was already bad even worse.

The worst part, is there are so many people that actually think this is a good idea, AGS will never revert it back to the way it should be. People would be really mad about it on the forums. The anti-link people like myself are just sitting back saying “I told you so,” but not really raising a ruckus like people would if they changed it back. Unfortunately, it’s just a really bad decision that is going to have a negative impact on the economy forever.

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It was a good idea… and linked storage sheds need to happen as well… more efficient markets are never a negative for the average person…lack of demand causes “deflation”, not more efficient markets… there is a difference.

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Yes, because there’s a bigger market which increases the lack of demand. Therefore, deflation.

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Linked TPs was a great move, IMO. Though I do understand some players enjoyed ‘flipping’ items to make gold (though some would describe it as gouging other players). Had teleporting to other towns been free, as I think should be the case, then I would have been fine leaving the system as it was, though still a little inconvenient. Linking Town Storage should be the next QoL change enacted, following many bug fixes, which probably means they’ll never get around to it. I understand some like the intended annoyances AGS built into this game, but many do not I believe. My .02 on the matter.

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where crafters craft items and where they sold items are not often causally synced.

also for the majority of servers, there are not a lot of options with the same crafting tables.

say for example you are doing refining, the most important factor will be where you have the most crafting reduction. Especially if you need to use material converters.

if you are leveling jewelcraft, you need a place that has a decent stonecutting place, a decent outfitter, and possibly decent arcana. If you do max teir crafting, crafting cost reduction figures in.

where you sell items was often totally different, and basically is always in the top 3 towns with the most active markets. And you want your territory points to have decent to high trade tax reduction.

short version, the change effects where you sell items, but not really where you craft. Where you craft is most effected by other factors. Also note, a large portion of crafted items are never sold. Many salvage for material returns, and give high quality crafts to themselves, others, or shouts/commisions

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This wasn’t just a quick fix where there expectations was everyone was gonna pick up roots and move from the richest. Kat developed settlements.

Many items cited as examples of the linked trading post significantly reduced in value are items that had a significant increase on drop rates due to a big fix that caused items to be artificially rare.

Overall despite the vocal settlement traders who can’t. Buy items from one place in a settlement and sell them somewhere else wasn’t generating enough sales that helped these settlements generate taxes for upgrades

All the data provided is subjective generalizations based on the premise for the ltp to achieve it’s intended purpose is that settlement tax revenue would be similar

This isn’t a reasonable expectation. It is also not the only change that will be implemented to spread the wealth

Settlements make revenue off of trade taxes, property taxes , crafting taxes and refining taxes. This change just addressed. 1/4 of the settlements tax revenue.

If I go out on a farming run . I can now sell that stuff at the territory I am at and the item is available to the while server to buy.
This is a Qol improvement and a needed one.

Ebonscale and mourningdale. Settlements in the right hands can now have sustainable income as the cons to moving and setting up a home base there are less detrimental .

The LTP. Has been out for two weeks . The old system was in place for 2 months…

The impact on players also seems to be ignored… if equipment I wanna buy is on first light … I don’t have to travel to first light to buy it . I can buy it and spend time traveling to some place more lucrative. That is value to me .

Deflation due to linking the trading post has been minimal and some items across many servers have seen their values increase.

The market is far more stable as supply and demand is based on overall available and not segmented

Companies have many deterrents systematically in place to dissaude them from upgrading their territories. Invasion penalties being the prime driver.

What’s is encouraging at least server is companies are trying to keep their towns upgraded. Where they had given up before.

They are seeing higher incomes and somewhat keeping up on their improvements.

People can now move to their faction owned territories without feeling they are losing out due to restrictive trading. Companies owning settlements now can pitch their members to invest in their settlements and store their goods there even if they do their crafting and refining elsewhere. Lots of empty houses before tlp. Those houses are getting bought now at the higher tiers for more storage.

As a seller I can goto a settlement with a 2 percent reading tax and have a reasonable chance to sell my goods in a timely manner over a place with. 4% trading tax. Before I couldn’t do that.

Imo the LTP is doing what it is supposed to and moving the goalposts or unsubstantiated rhetoric doesn’t change that

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Yep, most these people in here post something they learned in Economics class in high school, not realizing that the 200+ bots per server that are farming materials 24/7 and posting them on the market to fund the gold sales are the reason for the tanked prices and crappy economy we have.

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Linked trading posts isn’t the main topic of this post. Increased luck while PVP flagged is the main topic of this post. I argue, you should change the title of your post.
P.S. I like both the changes. Linked trading posts makes the game easier to play, and more fun. PVP incentive is good for the game. I think it’s a little overboard when PVP flagging is necessary rather than advantageous, but I think it’s too early to tell which it is.

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I agree, chunk of adderstone has gone from 650 to 200 in a week. I mined 1000 boulders unflagged and never got one sliver or chunk. after the change, i ran flagged and got 10 slivers and 3 chunks in one hour. So your reasoning is correct and why they would make both these changes at the same time without seeing the effects is beyond me. Luckily I knew my first day to sell those chunks because it was game over and the price would never be above 500 again with this luck

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