Oh no, as you can see that point is not lost on me. In fact is the only point I don’t debate.
My main argument, the one I touched on here:
And that also GregM explained is that your (as in you, travelling merchants) perspective of the consequences of the linking is very pessimistic and probably misguided.
I agree with this 100%. I heard about the market system and was very excited about playing an MMO that didn’t aspire to be like others and while it isn’t there yet, this is one step closer.
I enjoy playing the game by traveling and making money by traveling. It doesn’t mean I want to maximize anything, it’s just the merchant-style gameplay in an MMO that I enjoy and its about to be completely gone. Not fixed or reworked, just, completely gone. If they remove this feature then they may as well remove the tiered crafting stations from each region and give us flying mounts, portals, etc.
You haaaave knocked on it though, that along with your general tone (no offense) generally makes people push back harder. That being said your main argument is correct. At this point I’m just more or less hoping the uh 5? I think it’s 5, threads on this topic help AGS realize the issue with the outer regions isn’t going to be solved with simply linking the trade posts. It’ll help but it’s kinda the first step. If they stop there I’m still just gonna call it a band aid lol
Its sad they can’t add pvp territories or a merchant class with and ways to sell across territories.
An important possible successful development of growing an economy and trading is about to be erased.
People who play the market for coin will always adapt and find growth where others do not.
Its a band aid alright, which is why they mentioned it and didn’t implement it yet. Seeing how the community discusses the possible change is giving them all the instant feedback they want, and general ideas they may of raised or discussed internally, or even ideas that they didn’t have on the table.
Linking faction trading posts I’m all for, I can get behind that, but linking all of them will not change the fact that everyone just lives in the middle of the map. There are limited reasons to be in the outer regions, when you can do pretty much most of it from the central few, maybe changing resource node distribution could change that and make players go out to other regions to find things.
this is the best change they could possibly have made.
If you have a marketeers mind you already know this will have little to no impact on your ability to make money but has such a massive quality of life and voice of the people impact. Its brilliant.
So if you want to go, good luck o7. Bye.
If the taxes goto the outer regions its good.
If the taxes goto the capital cities its bad.
Wording is still unclear, it says the taxes will be applied per the purchasing settlement, so this makes me think I can no longer fund my outer territory by listing things there, Because the taxes will be fed to the enemy. In fact, This may mean you can never list anything if your goal is to prevent giving taxes to the enemy because if they buy it in their town they pay tax to their town right?
Or maybe I’m wrong but the lack of details means we’ll have to wait for the PTR to see.
Why you forcing this through, u said u would read the feedback.
Thats the worst dump down and only for the snowflakes.
I too would love to get some clarification on where the taxcut goes from buying in another town than the one the item was listed from
Sales tax goes to owner of where it was listed. Buying tax goes to owner of where it was bought. In case you didn’t realize both buyer and seller are taxed on trades.
Agree ! One of the 2 major changes that will remove a lot of my interest into the game with the 2nd one being outdoor chest and monters giving 600GS items, rending most of crafted items (Jewelcrafter will remains) completly obsolote, including mining and gathering ressources.
Even Trophies will almost be rendered useless, it still remains usefull to grind for Furnishing for combat Trophy tho, but going outside in non-elite zone looking for very rare crafting trophy artifact is de facto useless as well as the crafting profession itself.
So no more craft, no more farm outside of 64+ bosses to grind for watermark and maybe fishing for pearls, or farming rifts and stone to make orbs. Litterally you just sit on these worthless shady coins you have and use it to buy and sell valuable 600GS gear. Sell everything you can now because don’t expect to keep making golds selling Iron Ingots and Woodplanks since crafting will be useless so will be these ressources.
Remains then a couple of zones in the game that I may explore in order to do something usefull : Myrkgard, Scorched Mines, Siren’s Stand and Eternal Pool. This world is gigantic with so much exclusive rare ressources in every zone that was actually usefull and will now be useless as crafting will be useless.
So you don’t even use the markets, yet you feel this is an improvement? What’s going to happen when you go trade in this new system, is you’re going to find out what it feels like to be grossly undercut. This means you’re goin to post stuff to sell and the same people running the markets in EF are now going to set the markets globally. What this translates into is tons of stuff selling for .01 coins. This means when you make a bag with a rune that cost you 1k coin you will have to compete with sellers posting the same bags for 250g. I know this sounds ridiculous but this is the reality in EF market place. Soon to be the META for all trade. 
Buy azoth in Everfall run it to another town (qq) we all know. Find another method. Buy low sell high.
Just play like every other mmorpg out there with one global AH and stop the QQ because you abuse your prices in a dead map.
DO IT AGS, LINK ALL TP!
Only the people shifting goods from one location to another to make a profit are crying about this.
Give 10% tax to the territory the item was posted in and 5% where it was bought, give or take.
It’s actually clearly stated that the taxes are paid where the transaction is prompted.
If you went ahead and read any meanigfull discussion on the topic you’d realise the only snowflakes are those trying to stop the merger. There’s plenty of benefical effects for everyone and arguably ONE detrimental effect for A FEW people relying on what is basically an exploit of underdeveloped economies.
Listing fee is paid to the city the seller is when hi puts the goods for sale, the trading tax is paid to the city the buyer’s at when he buys. I honestly don’t understand the confusion, it’s not like it could work any other way.
You ALREADY get undercut it’s a combination of deflation and your choice to sell goods that have no value due to overaboundance. Deflation is already here and the merger wont have any effect on it, if anything it could improve it over time by moving weatlh around.
rubs temples We are, still here. Huh.
Honestly? This is kinda true. Now granted a vast majority of new faces supporting the link are “DO IT CUZ ME WANT!” but like, the new faces against the link either haven’t read any of the in depth discussion on this topic either and just repost previous arguments in their own words, which adds little. Or they just make a new thread without looking at the previous ones so now we have like 8 or 9 threads on this topic with little to no new insight and it just boils down to flame wars. As someone who likes the current system apposed to linking the trade posts, but acknowledges the economic situation at hand key bullet points.
Linking the trade posts is a QoL feature, No one can even begin to deny this.
The biggest issue with the dropping of prices currently on servers is low population and bots causing a massive supply to little demand. It’s not an undercutting issue.
In regards of the outer regions getting more tax revenue, linking the trade posts is a start. Resource density within the starting regions causes EF/WW to be the centralized market regardless of the change. Server merges are going to be required to really boost that tax revenue. The reason linking is a start to this, is because with the link people can actually think of buying houses outside EF/WW, thus resulting in at least that tax revenue.
As far as indepth goes: Why a linked marketplace won't solve the issue with non-WW/Everfall regions:
We have a pie chart, a pie chart that goes into explaining trade revenue situation. That thread is about as in depth and on point you can get without having mini flame wars breaking up the actual discussion. Unfortunately people don’t just read because these threads are getting too big for that.
I like your stance and agree with your bullet points. I just want to point out that the thread you linked may have gone very in-depth but its really far from accurate in its analysis and very speculative in its conclusions.
Well I meant like, the entire thread. My bullet points are the end conclusion of that entire discussion along with this week of back and forth on the topic. Which is worrisome if that’s just my take away from everything that’s been discussed and not the general take away
Edit: Honestly if I could just point to anything and everything GregM has said on the subject among all these threads I would because it’d explain just about everything perfectly, better than I could