We are coming for you next FSS
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I know the forums are a small portion of the community but the last time I’ve seen something as absurd as all the legacy server hate was two decades on WoW. The forums were filled with how Rogues were underpowered, while I was actively playing the game going 13-0 in Arathi Basin with a bunch of blue gear.
Most people are playing legacy, the economy is fine, the game isn’t grindy at all. Everything’s ok and there’s no reason to be upset.
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I think people who main legacy servers are mistaking people’s desire to continue their desired path (on a fresh start) with a hatred for legacy. I like my legacy server, I like my toon on my legacy server. I have good gear, I can always buy things on the TP, there’s usually an OPR or groups for mutes…
But I want my fresh start server to remain a fresh start. Its why I’ve put many many hours into my fresh start toon 
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It’s because people say things like this
Exactly.
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Let me be more specific then:
The idea of a “corrupt” economy is like saying the NFL should be disbanded because people were caught using steroids before. If the economy was truly broken, you could point to something tangible, like 25 cent voidbent. But you can’t.
“But everyone has BIS” - no they don’t, and it doesn’t make much difference anyway. Also people are going to no-life 80 hours a week on fresh start and have that well before you.
The only non-silly argument people have for Fresh Start is “it feels nice” and yeah sure, but thinking about it long term, it doesn’t make since to restart the game every year or so.
AGS should have released FS worlds after severe war fatigue elements were introduced not before. Much of the interest was for less sweaty groups to compete in worlds not run rampant with war loggers that populate the wars on numerous other legacy servers. Since AGS did not release FS after war fatigue in ruined the point of them to a large degree. Atm theyre just a younger version of legacy with the same power monopolies.
A large amount of the players dominating fs worlds are logging onto multiple other servers with alt characters doing war each night. Very poor planning by AGS to not set rules in place that give each server their own pvp experience seperate to the others. The war fatigue changes coming likely wont solve this it sounds like either which is disheartening.
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The reason to be upset is very simple: those who wanted to join legacy did it somewhere around Brimstone release
And those who wanted to play on fresh - did it after Nov 2nd. And there were thousands of people waiting to join FSS specifically, not anything else. And a lot of them decided to support AGS/Streamers and join event servers which were also Fresh Servers. Do you really think they joined it just to throw characters away?
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People on legacy servers are here for the long haul. The people you are referring to might not have had the intention of throwing away their characters but the current population on the FSS vs where it started doesn’t lie.
I can’t speak for EU but on Orofena the economy is mostly fine, territories change regularly, and there are tons of people still grinding out expertise and "BiS"gear.
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No it’s the posts that claim legacy servers as being tainted, or shattered, or that gold means nothing, or that people on legacy are cheaters that make legacy players cautious of FSS players intent.
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No one is stopping any one from do exactly that.
Except maybe the fact that FSS did not hold the attention and population that legacy haters claimed there would be on FSS.
Expectations did not meet reality in this case.
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Yes. Hence the population decline. People found that FSS were just like servers on release day. That did not meet their bad expectations so they left again.
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It will be interesting to see where FSS servers go from here. I mean we all could be wrong and FSS could really take over and become the dominant servers in the long run, there is nothing wrong with that and not all of our predictions have to be correct. So far it seems that they are not remaining particular strong. Again as I’ve always said, there is buying unhealthy with some player loss at that’s expected. The is normal player churn.
What I think does linger is the frustration and distrust towards AGS from their most dedicated playerbase (those that stuck with them the entire time and didn’t leave). They made the more economical/business oriented decision to try and support fresh start servers over the legacy servers. It’s easier to negatively impact the players that already didn’t leave during the hard times, why would they suddenly leave now? It’s a stronger business decision. Which is unfortunate they made that decision. I do really appreciate how much they really do seem to care about the community that this take did stand out.
Ideally they would just commit to merge the communities in the long run instead of choosing to fragment the community so early into it’s development. But we will see. It’s easier to dig into a poor decision (that’s my opinion which doesn’t mean it’s right) than to admit they made a mistake. Especially when it’s does push the narrative that exploits and bugs have ruined or tainted the legacy servers. Which just isn’t true. What’s different is that it’s just had a year worth of progress. The territory control system has a much larger impact on the economy than any bug and most of the changes didn’t even go live with FSS. Right now merging into the main servers doesn’t make sense, but in 6+ months is will. They could commit to this still but they put themselves in an awkward position where they have to go back on their word.
In the end, AGS should make sure they are listening to their most devoted playerbase that l stuck with them this entire time instead of trying to isolate them (even if not intentionally). Instead of listening to streamers and players that are not likely to stick with them in the long-term. Streamers and many of the players they consulted with will simply move on. Nothing wrong with that, their obligations are not to this game is to their viewers and creating content that will bring them more income.
I’m not saying don’t try and figure out why people left and catering to those players to improve the game and being in more people. If you don’t do this then the playerbase will also stagnate. So please listen to the players that left, but don’t screw over your just loyal players in the process.
We also have to live with the community that this decision made and continues to make. Toxicity and this whole legacy vs. FSS shenanigans. What the main playerbase wanted was new players to play with, help support people getting into the game and doing their first M1/M2 but instead we got fragmentation of the community and this weird sense of competition between the servers. It’s just a shame. Not saying this caused all of the toxicity, oh it’s been there haha and not just a product of this game. But! Every decision you make impacts this. It’s not just a playerbase problem but instead it’s a wondering the dev team can impact with their decisions.
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The premise of your post is not totally accurate though.
There ARE long term players on Death, legacy players that moved over because that is where their friends and company went to…they are also loyal players that have been here since launch and some of us even before.
Instead of hating on each other we should be pointing fingers at AGS cause they are the real culprit to this crappy situation.
Actually, that’s a pretty popular move because some people like the journey part of it.
(Myself included.)
FSS was the only reason I returned, because I could level up in PvP mode and have some world PvP with people roughly my level.
Now FSS is pretty much like a legacy server in that almost everyone being 60 and grinding end-game, except it doesn’t have the leftover millions of coin from the dupes, glitches, and rent bonanza.
There’s still money to be made with people gearing.
(Just checked on my old server while writing this post. There is no Green on the server, and almost every place has T5 everything… like… what’s the point?)
Absolutely, but read my post a bit more. Which I don’t blame people that don’t haha, it’s verbose. I also tend to edit a ton because I usually have so many typos. The focus is on AGS and their decision creating this toxic situation.
No. not even close.
The hate war started when legacy servers were upset that returning population wouldn’t be funneled into legacy servers.
Threads like these:
etc
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I dont need to send you 10 post where people bashing legacy,if u didnt see them u must be either blind or not using forum.
I dont need to complain anything on my server,specially not about losers.
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I do see them, they just show up AFTER the pro-legacy complainers started spouting nonsense as to the motivations of pro-FSS.
There’s 2+ sides to a war… you were just stating (incorrectly) that pro-FSS started bashing on the people in legacy ostensible for some reason.
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? people literally started a campaign about fresh server while doing that they needed to bash legacy since they cant have a fresh unless they make the legacy look bad.
Are we using the same forum or u are playing another game?
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