There’s a middle ground between “They can turn off their brain” and “Even the best FS/IG’s struggle to be relevant in any capacity”.
Their ST is worse then Musket. Their AoE is worse then Bow. Their mobility is worse then anything Dex with a Rapier. Their CC potential is basically non-existent.
There is essentially no reason to go FS or IG. They excel at nothing. They aren’t better at anything another class isn’t better at.
agreed. mages need work. iv hear “we are a Aoe class” but yet it seems just about every other weapon can smash us on dmg/Aoe… In PVE i now just use VG b/c i can pump about 20-30% more dmg… only time i even bring out a Fire staff is for a poke in PVP… and even then id rather have a bow/musket lol but dont have the weapon skills
This.
Only top tier players vs top tier players should ever be considered, because that’s what defines balance.
And that’s where you have no chance vs e.g. a WH/GA build as a FS/IG user. You get stunned/CC to death and your ranged attacks do pitiful damage.
The IG 1 hit is the most inconsistent ability in the game. You land it, sometimes it hit’s once, sometime it hits twice, sometimes it hits 4 times. It’s never consistent.
Mad cause bad? Scared to compete in fair matchups?
By that logic mages are really strong.
Again not true.
300dex, rest in INT, 5 con, arcane gem in musket is the build sir. You’ll gain over 250 base damage on your musket. Anything else, you’re tickling kids.
Thanks for clarifying you have no idea about stat distribution
This is so extremely ironic 
. Sounds exactly like you and why you want mage weapons to be buffed. So you can win for free against better players and never bother to learn how to play.
You just spread nonsense for the fun of it? Alright I’m outta here.
Also cut out the spam, noone wants to read your biased, uninformed opinion over and over.
I’m guessing you don’t play with fire staff.
Still trash? Dude then sorry but l2p this class
Mage is more then fine in pvp
If you are playing mage and you are not under the top 3 in dmg in a war you doin something realy wrong^^
Or 1v1. Mages easy can beat ga/wh builds
That you disagree with me does not mean I am uninformed. Compared to you I have actually come up with arguments and examples that proves what you are saying is wrong. You just state your opinions, but nothing more.
You may disagree with me as much as you like. That is fine, but to me you are the biased one. I understand that there is no reason to continue discussing with you because even if you had clear evidence that mages are fine right before your nose you would still not be able to see them.
I honestly want all weapons to be as balanced as possible. The game and pvp combat overall would be much more interesting if we see more variety and more builds are viable. I already see plenty of mages though and those weapons are more than viable.
Sure. Let me guess you get TOP DAMAGE in wars or something along those lines.
That or you either run with void gaunlet in which case the point is moot as the VG carries the fire staff.
Contradiction right there. You have already lost all credibility with your “arguments” that are all based on your false assumptions and wishful thinking.
You live in your own imaginary world, and only see what you want to see. Whether you like it or not, he got some good, valid arguments. You don’t xd
There is no point to discuss with you. You are clueless and blind. Open your mind and try to see the whole picture. You might learn something.
I suspect some more weapon tuning will happen in the next month or two. The game isn’t even three months old.
YO decent points! However on my server we have very high skilled mages who top dmg in every single war. Mages can do alot of dmg and can clap kids when used correctly! I think the nerf was very uncalled for but at the same time firestaff and IG still can pump numbers when used correctly! LETS GOOOO!
Also come watch some HIGH ENERGY TOP TIER PLAGUE BUILD BOW PVP GAMEPLAY! PLAGUE BUILD! LETS GOOOOOO!
Why are you even in this topic? You clearly don’t know anything about “mage damage” and have proven that in your responses throughout the thread.
Your posts are nothing but noise and part of the reason people aren’t able to comprehend the actual issues.
If you are going to discuss something, please actually have the tiniest bit of actual in-game knowledge about the topic. Otherwise, you’re just here trying to distract from the actual issues.
Mage weapons aren’t unplayable or anything, but they don’t feel good, especially the Fire Staff which lacks the utility of other weapons, but also doesn’t outdamage many of the other weapons that DO bring that utility.
The damage is AoE, but a lot of weapons also fulfill this niche just as well or better than the Fire Staff. I think a lot of people say “mages” when they are really specifically talking about the Fire Staff and it’s misleading.
VG is fine, IG is… well, okay in a gimmick build. Fire Staff is… okay. But there’s no real reason to run either of these weapons any more as their niches are filled better by other existing weapons especially now that the VG is out.
When the VG also gets nerfed into the ground, I’m curious… will you guys still feel that “mages” are fine?