Main healers, you still exist?

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I left playing a healer after the heavy armor nerf, nothing like having to do another set of 600 to 625 gs armor. (they nerfed the proposed split stat armor on PTR when folks complained they would have to redo their armor to from 600 to 625 gs to take advantage of another 5 attribute points, supposedly. But that didn’t stop the heavy or medium armor healing nerf that caused healers to have to do it).

Wonder if they nerfed DPS or tank to -30 percent in heavy, 0 in medium and +20 percent in light armor to balance the armor, if they would complain. I was told with healing, if I think about it, it made sense. Well I think it would make sense right, for DPS or Tanks, but boy people would yowl and threaten to quit!

Of course the DPS and Tank said all healers heal in light armor only… which defies logic i.e. if no one or very few healers were wearing other than light armor why bother even spending the time to code and do it? Even if it was mainly for 3v3 arenas (conjecture, AGS never confirmed the healing armor nerf was for 3v3 arenas, to my knowledge) I knew quite a few healers personally in medium and heavy.

DPS is so much easier to play than Healing (or tanking) anyway. Just follow the cookie cutter guide on the meta armor, weapons, perks, abilities, rotations, etc. needed for DPS. Mash Q, R, F keys in rotational sequence per the meta, click left mouse button furiously, gripe nonstop about why you can’t easily kill healers and post daily in the forums about healers being OP.

I put together some healing armor and still heal occasionally but it is not as fun as it was. I would still give it a try though. If you PVE, Expeditions got somewhat tougher to do in light versus heavy armor but it is do-able. For PVP, if you get good, you can survive and contribution for the win.

As a side note, I don’t think people realize how the PVP healing in New World is the variable that keeps PVP Fresh and exciting and will keep PVP going for a long time to come. I have played almost all MMOs, PVE and PVP and when the healers easily get smoked in PVP, the healers die off. Then it becomes a small clique of powerful players who have longevity and rare items that no one can complete with and then eventually PVP becomes no fun to play (except for the small clique who dominate) and then everyone leaves PVP. Including the powerful small clique when they have no more competition (newbies, green beans, victims to get their jolllies feeding off the decimation or cattle fodder of new PVP players) they leave calling the game lame.

I think AGS has something special going with this game and the healing is the secret ingredient that will keep PVP exciting and slightly unpredictable in Wars, OPR, 3v3, etc. If you actually nerf Healing the way the DPS want, it would kill PVP and perhaps even kill the game eventually. Sometimes I wonder if AGS is kind of keeping this way of letting healers survive in PVP as a “trade secret” or something. (as they never really comment or respond, lol)

So I would give it a try to keep on healing! Don’t pay attention to folks in the forums that say “Wow, this is the first thread I have seen that healing is underpowered, gee, all the post are about healing being OP” Those people are daily DPS type posters that should try to be a healer for like 3 months straight… You never see healers posting that they should be nerfed, haha. The DPS post like they play, they just "hammer or spam " the Healers OP posts daily as fast as the can, like their playstyle in New World, mash those keys, left click crazy lol. I don’t post much but I see the same names either keep posting new or keep old threads going (stealth bumping).

Also, you will notice that even though everyone’s statements are really opinion only, you will be attacked, called names, etc. just for posting or disagreeing. Hard to have a civil discussion, lol. I bet I get some choice replies on my post here.

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A bit late to this thread but I couldn’t agree more with your whole post.

My main beef with the state of healers is about trying to solo with a focus build, which boils down to LS/VG of course. Yes, we have heals on-demand but the damage is absolutely F tier. And I haven’t seen any attempts to compensate for heal nerfs by upping the DPS of either weapon.

PvE soloing is its own thing and we all need to do a lot of it, especially while leveling whether we like it or not. And efficient soloing is basically just getting the job done quickly while staying alive.

Every single DPS build can do that because even though they don’t have a heal at the press of a button, any decent build worth using with DPS weapons has a ton of conditional mitigation and heals that will get the job done of keeping you alive when you’re soloing but the efficiency is 10 times that of a solo healer because they kill everything that much faster than we do.

Healers are the only spec in this game that feels like it belongs in an MMO from 20 years ago when developers had not yet clued in that, yes they also need to do enough damage to solo as efficiently as everyone else.

Pisses me off to no end :slight_smile:

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That’s because melee players in this game like most are mouth breathing left click spam cretins with little to no game sense.

no one should balance games around the opinions of those who play the lowest skill floor class

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If developers raise the healers dmg, trust me… there will be cries for days… Ppl will stop playing etc, etc. Even forced to use a weight lvl, forced to use 1 single weapon, nerfed in almost every patch they cry, imagine what happen if the LS can go “tu a tu” with another weapon. “apocalitic”. @Kolkhara and yet the ags team catter to the unga/unga crowd like they are the main source of value opinions in this game.

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I was a main healer for about 2.5k hours. However I’m swapping out … thinking spear+bb (seemed fun to use).
Just uber tired of the nerfs, the clunky magic & the constant crying. Unfortunate. Maybe if we ever get another heal/focus wep I’ll try that.

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Why would I want to play Solo Healer?

Every Main healer heals M10, OPR/3v3, war. Wtf are you on about “Solo PvE Healer”?

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Why don’t you just play a few days, get your build right instead of making a forum post that its unplayble while its still by far the best class for your team?

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Being a healer is my #1 goal in MMOs. Sadly healing in New world feels clunky and messy.
If I’m not a healer I like to play tank but as I’m not yet able to run any level 60 dungeons yet as group finder only wants iLevel 580+ for normals, I’m getting no experience. I understand that there is a shortage of these rolls, so if you guys want them your going to have to help support other people in the community and build up their skill sets, else you’ll be very lonely elitists with no tank/healer and the people that enjoy those rolls will be playing other games as those rolls. :frowning:
A lot of the MMO community forget that they have to invest in each other as much as they do their gear. If they don’t, the game suffers and may even die and you’re left having wasted 1000s of hours in a game that you can’t get the support roles. :frowning:
There’s a reason companies (not in game companies/guilds) invest in people. It helps support the business and makes people feel a valued part of the system. :wink::+1:

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main healer here, improvise, adapt and overcome is the name of the game mate. used to heavy heal with 0 ward pieces now I have 5 piece ward for every enemy type. used to run lights embrace for the quick instant heals now run divine embrace for emergency 3 person healing. used to not have to worry so much about positioning your light attacks but now have to line up behind grp so light and heavies hit both grp members and the mobs. used to tank hits now I call out grp members to pick up mobs correctly. used to never have to switch weapons now switching to void gauntlet consistently. used to tank a couple of players in pvp if they didn’t know what they were doing and now I play the hokey pokey.

were these things a learning curve? yes
did it make me a better player? yes
is it harder to heal? definetly
do I need more reliable team members now? yes
did it remove some of the responsibility of healers? yes (now you can call out players for doing the wrong thing)
is there ever going to be balance in this game? no, not unless they seperate pve and pvp balances

the only thing all these changes has made me do in the end is force me to be far more selective with group finding or completely forgo pug grps.

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Even OP’s some answers irritated me, he sticked with his main concern (leveling with lifestaff) and I respect that but everyone here answered it for very very end game.

He simply wants ( If i understand correct) to play lifestaff while leveling (which was pain while i was playing). I don’t break in hatchet-lifestaff leveling on release which was broken but playing only lifestaff while leveling is really pain. Especially for farming some territory quests etc.

I played all MMO’s i have played as healer and I can understand what he asks for. Playing hatchet/lifestaff or voidgauntlet/lifestaff or any weapon/lifestaff on open world pve/leveling/farming for trade skills just isn’t playing lifestaff.

I mean, and also what I think he means, Lifestaff mains shouldn’t need another weapon for farming boars, doing some territory standing runs or even for leveling. I was main lifestaff back then on release until january and I remember how i farm stuff; without a lifestaff. That’s the reality you all are keep ignoring and all repeats the same stuff; Lifestaff can solo mutations etc. That’s not the case. The only pve is not mutations or dungeons. Not everyone likes to play only dungeons or the way you like to play. In every mmo I played, I love farm stuff with my healing equipment which I can’t do it here.

That’s the case for this topic and stop ignoring it.

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30 or 40 expeditions seems low. I just cam back and was around 550gs. Have run around 15 gen/laz since and 1 piece is 600, two others around 585 and a smattering of 570 plus a lot of weapons are 540 to 570. Jewelry which I have Ben using gypsum on are high 540s.

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Oh, I know.

The game is balanced around group PvP and magic weapons are an afterthought that the devs seem reluctant to even have in the game.

I leveled to 60 last fall before the VG and like most healers, I used LS and Ice for my group healing build. Even back then for solo, I also used the hatchet so I could actually kill things. It has always been all about the STR and DEX weapons.

I’ve done the 1-25 stuff on the PTR recently and the difference between a GS and hatchet build vs. an LS + VG is like night and day. soloing the same content.

The problem at launch before they started nerfing was always the STR builds with an LS secondary, What they should have done is build in a heal penalty to STR stacking itself instead of nerfing armor to force healers to light armor and the healing nerfs. Like targeting the problem directly.

The damage coefficient on the Focus weapons has always been lower than it should be but now, combined with all the nerfs it is truly pathetic for soloing.

Good luck getting a healer for Amrine in the FSS. There are not enough kid brothers you can talk into being a healer and always carry in PvE duo questing to fill the need. There’s just no way I’m soloing a healer this time around.

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IMO, ESO does healers right. As a Warden main, I can heal, tank a little, and DPS. It’s something I enjoy doing because I contribute in dungeons and trials with a very active combat play style. When I roam the open world, I’m self sufficient to take on world bosses and harder group content. Best of all, the combat of a healer is fluid. Super fun game to play as a healer.

New World unfortunately doesn’t offer any such experience for healers. Life Staff abilities have long cool downs, forcing you to light attack spam to reduce the timers and keep those heals up. Ground targeting is janky and can be challenging when you can’t see the floor. Close-quarter combat is horrible. Staves often fire off on a tangent when an enemy is to close, missing the shot. And then there’s the animation locks and slow animation recovery. It’s very difficult to enjoy playing as a healer.

If AGS puts combat on their high priority list and if they can bring healing to the same level that ESO has, I would totally convert over. However, given the above problems + only two weapons that scale with focus, I just can’t. I play intelligence instead. I have access to a wide variety of weapons, great element damage output, great damage, and I can use potions and food for heals, plus dodging. If I want to heal because I’m tiered of waiting in the lobby, I’ll put gear on with focus stat. That will boost me up to ~200 focus and I find that good enough for healing, plus swap to void gauntlet and rip enemies to shreds due to the focus/int scaling. For open world though? I would never touch life staff.

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Switched to DPS and couldn’t be happier, life is so much easier and fun.

Reasons for quitting healing:

  • Clunky targeting system
  • Bad UI for healing, lack of information
  • Lack of build/weapon variety
  • LS is boring to heal with imho
  • LS has a lot of dead talents
  • Blessed as a perk should be deleted
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The only thing i disagree with here.

Perked warhammer hits dummies for 6000-8000 full heavy swing crit.
Cheese perks with spear rend and trenchant crits/keen emp is like 12,000

amber warhammer does maybe 1700-2200

That number really does need to be higher, it wasn’t nearly as painful to run around with a melee weapon at the start. And i understand why they nerfed them with heavy armor the way that it was.

But they can absolutely fix this with adjustment to amber nerfs, as right now it hits for peanuts. The only time it’s “okay” is if you are fighting something that is weak to nature, and even then it’s still just alright.

But that’s just my opinion having lived through all of the nerfs as they just kept coming.

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I switch to main healer about a month or two ago - never looked back.

Im 625 now and I just love healing - I love healing in Arenas and being top 5 in every OPR match.

Brings a big smile to my face. I dont know why more people dont heal.

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I had a full set of BiS heavy healing gear before they rofflethropped the heavy healing.

I DO have a set of light, but i don’t like it. In that way they broke my build that i started with and put so much time in, so i put the life staff away.

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Understandable.

I feel pretty hard to kill even in light, I throw a beacon down + SG and I can /trampwalk my way to victory.

In all seriousness though its a lot of fun - im worried the Greatsword might suck me back into bruiser though.

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Right,

With shirking fort and fort stacking, light is absolutely beefy. Arguably even beefier than heavy was in a lot of situations. But i just don’t for the life of me want to play the roll/rapier or roll VG pew pew build.

I was a heavy shield or heavy hammer build, absolutely my favorite thing to play is the paladin.

They could have tweaked it, instead they just curb stomped it and threw it in the dumpster.

That’s what it feels like anyway.

I love to play in heavy, and occasionally medium. But i just don’t do light.
roll-422ce

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I have hope that Paladin builds will rise from the ashes one day - I hope so :pray:

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