If you think Bow is INSANE OP just because somebody hit you for 3k in your heavy then go and play bow In order to hit some decent hits you need to play light + tons of dexterity. Not to mention that you need some skill to hit those shots (and not only aim skill - you also need positioning). Bow users are destroyed by reap + 2 GA swings. Bow is in a good place, maybe even underpowered. 1.2 is a good patch for bow because it will make it slighthly smoother and thatās fine. If GA/WH is S tier and Mage is B tier then Bow is A tier I would say.
Musket is a hitscan and idk about it, shouldnāt be a thing in MMO like this IMO. If you think bow is OP then go and play it and enjoy being 2-3 hitted by muskets from 300m range. It canāt be nerfed tho because itās already useless vs heavies
Orkan, I completely agree. I am a musket main, with many hours as well with the musket, full dex void gear, MOUP musket, and high dmg tier jewelry. i can counter pretty effectively mages (unless they are running heavy) but melee GA/ hammer users always counter me.
I love dueling and do it a lot but 8/10 times i will lose to GA user. and will lose 5/10 times to a NOOB GA user, who will tell me they just started playing a week agoā¦ sure I could just be bad. but I will say when that GA comes up on you with all these forms of cc, pulls, and high damage. even with the rapier (which most people I duel know how to counter :(. ) I will get rocked.
for those who are having issue with range users, in the PTR and in general, it is probably because you havenāt played against enough of them. and donāt know how to counter. my suggestion is learn new builds that can counter (because there is plenty that can) and figure out new strategies. I have seen a crazy amount of strategies that seem broken at first but eventually I learn to work against.
I saw mention of muskets getting kills. Maybe itās just the way i play, but after i knock them down, i move to the next target. I let the melee guys get kills because my shot is wasted, better to apply that damage elsewhere. Even killing a sniper, i dont finish them off because the longer they wait for a revive that will never come, they waste time laying there. This results in a lower score which encourages healers (healers almost always finish higher in ranks) to trash talk other player for not contributing.
In heavy armor you will surely have trouble catching lights, in light armor youāll easily catch upā¦ You may need to have 2 sets of armors, medium/light for skirmishes and heavy for oprs, Light bow/rapier/spear is already too hard to catch. Except for those, the rest of the builds are not hard to catch.
Weāll probably witness the rise of VG and Rapier/Spear Heavy in skirmishes.
I donāt know any melee playing in light armor, but that might be the only way to actually catch someone after the patch, but donāt forget in OPR will be multiple range, you might catch one but other 5-6 musket players who see you in light will instant delete you. Plus lets not forget riposte with 12 sec cd, you need to bait that without using any skills so you can stop cancel animation / dodging when he does, else if he catch you in a riposte and its at least 30% of your hp down in 1 sec
Thatās assuming it connects. Which it struggles to do in a lot of match ups. In wars itās even worse because, without grit, they tend to just get stun locked and die to 2+ people.
We regularly see 2.5-3 mil out of our GA/Hammer frontliners, and our bows. 1.3 mil is respectable out of a purely ST, non-grit class, but itās not particularly impressive.
You can play any armor you want, just use Great Axe and youāll catch anyone besides Bow/Rapier.
I agree the musket hitscan could do with some changes(maybe a projectile or remove the dmg drop off perk to promote more aggressive gameplay). The bow though? thats a weapon of skill my friend.
The first change they should make is to make Resilience apply to Headshots if theyāre going to nerf anything about bow/musket damage. Particularly as theyāre releasing Elemental/Physical damage reduction on armor.
The new Perks are a way to counter Musket alreadyā¦ so musket players will be doing 400 dmg to Heavy Armor ppl instead of 800.
Also not every Musket player play like a Potato camping in a Mountainā¦if u see ppl doing thatā¦ then theyre not even playing the gameā¦just ignore those plebsā¦ if u rly wanna help ur team as a Musket player u need to play Mid to Close range and very agressive. for me is also where Musket rly Shines since i can just hit 95% of my shots in Close to Mid range.
Thats because thats is the only Place where ppl dont mind Musketsā¦ u dont see many Musket players in Warsā¦ cuz they just dont win u the gameā¦ same goes for OPRā¦ the team with most Ranged always lose
Those perks counter everything equally, not just Musket. Headshots, particularly with Musket, are a potential path to 100% crit rate, so the perk that is supposed to, in theory, counter crits, should apply to them.
Can u hit all of ur Shots as a Headshot? i dont think soā¦ so i like to be rewarded for actually headshotting some1ā¦ i mean i dont cry when there is 5 GAxes ppl chasing me and do 4K Backstab Light hit right?
Is there any Perk to Reduce Meele Dmg? no its notā¦ so my way to counter meele is actually to stay rangeā¦ i cant change dmg with gaxe cuz my Heavy hit + a few Light hits dont even do 3k dmgā¦ and a GAxe can just do 3 to 4K dmg to me soo yeah idk
for me the worse weapon in the Game is just Life Staff and Void gauntletā¦ as soon as 1 Guy can Tank 5 to 8 Ppl thats just straight broken
Okeyā¦ so ur saying that me by me giving up on Range to be at Close to mid range should no be rewarded by headshoting some1. ( Also my Headshot does Half or the DMG a guy with Heavy armor and GAxe does)
First of all Backstabbing doesnt need any skill or Aim to do itā¦ just chase ppl or dogde around themā¦ thats alll
Headshots on other side does need Aim and skill to actually do it while under pressure of Meele chasing meā¦ so all ur Points are kinda KEKā¦ yeah u hate muskets so thats just a U problem i would say.
About the Life staffā¦ sure than just show me u killing a Heavy armor life star user alone or with one of ur friendsā¦ and by that i dont wanna see hes standing stillā¦ he needs to move use potions and dogding ur attacks and also healing.
Also on my server i dont have problems with Musket cuz out of 10 that i know only 2 are actually decent eneough to fightā¦ the other ones just camp or idk what they do and i barely see themā¦ and when i do i just kill themā¦ so yeah
No, Iām saying that perks should work like they should. Backstab is the equivalent to Headshot for Ranged, and itās reduced by Resilient. Criticals of all types besides Headshots are reduced by Resilient.
Resilient is bugged and not being reduced. That should be fixed.
And yet a ranged character can headshot someone thatās fighting back, but melee canāt backstab someone who is facing and fighting them.
Not really, you just disagree. My points of āMaybe fix bugsā is pretty solid.
I do it every war, every day, multiple times a day. All it takes is one hammer with Shockwave+Armor Breaker, or a Void Gauntlet, and they die pretty fast.
Low pop servers tend to have low populations and stagnant metas. Your server is likely no different.
Maybe in AGS mind Headshots and Crit are not the sameā¦ i never saw them saying its a bug and need to be fixā¦ and if they do plz tell me cuz i would like to know.
Also we had 2 Months of Gaxe and War hammer metaā¦ with maybe 80% of the ppl playing with itā¦ i dont know what weapons u use but still let also other Weapons shineā¦ there is in Total of 12 Weapons and most of the times i just see 5 of them.
I dont know where all this hate come from Muskets and bow users but yeahā¦
Also i never cried about Gaxe and War hammer beeing OPā¦ most PVP players dont cry on Forums we just try to deal with it even if it gets us Mad but that just how the game works atmā¦
So for all the ppl that come to Forums and cry about Weapons beeing to Op or not to OP just get gud in a freking game and stop to cry.
Also by saying how u kill the Healers ur a Meta Chaser that means ur afraid that Meta changes and u need to change all ur gear maybeā¦ idk and i dont even careā¦ just stop to hate what is not OP in any way
U guys want 1 Build to be able to do everything and thats not how the game works.
It was sort of implied when they addressed Backstab not being reduced, and they fixed that when they made Backstab damage not apply to all crits.
GA/WH is arguably the best build in the game. Bow is the best ranged AoE dps in the game. Musket is the best ST ranged dps in the game. Rapier is one of the most mobile and effective defense weapons in the game. VG is among the best healer killers in the game. IG and FS both got gutted, but you still see them pretty frequently and Life Staff is still a great weapon.
The only weapons I donāt see on a daily basis are Spear and Sword.
Itās not hate, so much as it is the fact that theyāre already in the top tiers of the meta, and while theyāre not overpowered, they could be if you donāt take them into consideration while nerfing their main counter. Although I would argue that Rapier is the bigger offender and problem, as it enables 0 HP builds to be wildly consistent.
And yet talking about the game as balance changes is something that should be done. Regardless of if you agree with it or not, or you want to call it crying.
VG isnāt exactly meta, neither is Armor Breaker WH builds. I have gear for basically every weapon, and I can play them all. Just because I choose to play whatās strongest against someone else who is playing whatās strongest, isnāt a bad thing.
And yet between me and you, youāre the only one arguing for that.
In order to hit some decent hits you need to play light + tons of dexterity. Not to mention that you need some skill to hit those shots (and not only aim skill - you also need positioning). Bow users are destroyed by reap + 2 GA swings. Bow is in a good place, maybe even underpowered. 1.2 is a good patch for bow because it will make it slighthly smoother and thatās fine. If GA/WH is S tier and Mage is B tier then Bow is A tier I would say.