I donāt know any melee playing in light armor, but that might be the only way to actually catch someone after the patch, but donāt forget in OPR will be multiple range, you might catch one but other 5-6 musket players who see you in light will instant delete you. Plus lets not forget riposte with 12 sec cd, you need to bait that without using any skills so you can stop cancel animation / dodging when he does, else if he catch you in a riposte and its at least 30% of your hp down in 1 sec
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Thatās assuming it connects. Which it struggles to do in a lot of match ups. In wars itās even worse because, without grit, they tend to just get stun locked and die to 2+ people.
We regularly see 2.5-3 mil out of our GA/Hammer frontliners, and our bows. 1.3 mil is respectable out of a purely ST, non-grit class, but itās not particularly impressive.
You can play any armor you want, just use Great Axe and youāll catch anyone besides Bow/Rapier.
Riposte does sorely need a nerf.
Reposte, trap, 2x Headshots, could even be 80% of the hp.
I agree the musket hitscan could do with some changes(maybe a projectile or remove the dmg drop off perk to promote more aggressive gameplay). The bow though? thats a weapon of skill my friend.
The first change they should make is to make Resilience apply to Headshots if theyāre going to nerf anything about bow/musket damage. Particularly as theyāre releasing Elemental/Physical damage reduction on armor.
Well, youād have to remove repeater cannons, explosive mines and kegs also.
The new Perks are a way to counter Musket alreadyā¦ so musket players will be doing 400 dmg to Heavy Armor ppl instead of 800.
Also not every Musket player play like a Potato camping in a Mountainā¦if u see ppl doing thatā¦ then theyre not even playing the gameā¦just ignore those plebsā¦ if u rly wanna help ur team as a Musket player u need to play Mid to Close range and very agressive. for me is also where Musket rly Shines since i can just hit 95% of my shots in Close to Mid range.
Theyāre already pretty strong lol over half of my team in opr is always dex.
Thats because thats is the only Place where ppl dont mind Musketsā¦ u dont see many Musket players in Warsā¦ cuz they just dont win u the gameā¦ same goes for OPRā¦ the team with most Ranged always lose
Those perks counter everything equally, not just Musket. Headshots, particularly with Musket, are a potential path to 100% crit rate, so the perk that is supposed to, in theory, counter crits, should apply to them.
Can u hit all of ur Shots as a Headshot? i dont think soā¦ so i like to be rewarded for actually headshotting some1ā¦ i mean i dont cry when there is 5 GAxes ppl chasing me and do 4K Backstab Light hit right?
Is there any Perk to Reduce Meele Dmg? no its notā¦ so my way to counter meele is actually to stay rangeā¦ i cant change dmg with gaxe cuz my Heavy hit + a few Light hits dont even do 3k dmgā¦ and a GAxe can just do 3 to 4K dmg to me soo yeah idk
for me the worse weapon in the Game is just Life Staff and Void gauntletā¦ as soon as 1 Guy can Tank 5 to 8 Ppl thats just straight broken
Doesnāt matter.
You are, by getting extra damage.
Backstab is reduced by Resilient.
Resilient reduces melee crits, it should consistently do the same to ranged crits. Of all kinds.
If one life staff can tank 2 or more players, itās the players fault, not the life staffs. They are not playing correctly.
Okeyā¦ so ur saying that me by me giving up on Range to be at Close to mid range should no be rewarded by headshoting some1. ( Also my Headshot does Half or the DMG a guy with Heavy armor and GAxe does)
First of all Backstabbing doesnt need any skill or Aim to do itā¦ just chase ppl or dogde around themā¦ thats alll
Headshots on other side does need Aim and skill to actually do it while under pressure of Meele chasing meā¦ so all ur Points are kinda KEKā¦ yeah u hate muskets so thats just a U problem i would say.
About the Life staffā¦ sure than just show me u killing a Heavy armor life star user alone or with one of ur friendsā¦ and by that i dont wanna see hes standing stillā¦ he needs to move use potions and dogding ur attacks and also healing.
Also on my server i dont have problems with Musket cuz out of 10 that i know only 2 are actually decent eneough to fightā¦ the other ones just camp or idk what they do and i barely see themā¦ and when i do i just kill themā¦ so yeah
No, Iām saying that perks should work like they should. Backstab is the equivalent to Headshot for Ranged, and itās reduced by Resilient. Criticals of all types besides Headshots are reduced by Resilient.
Resilient is bugged and not being reduced. That should be fixed.
And yet a ranged character can headshot someone thatās fighting back, but melee canāt backstab someone who is facing and fighting them.
Not really, you just disagree. My points of āMaybe fix bugsā is pretty solid.
I do it every war, every day, multiple times a day. All it takes is one hammer with Shockwave+Armor Breaker, or a Void Gauntlet, and they die pretty fast.
Low pop servers tend to have low populations and stagnant metas. Your server is likely no different.
Maybe in AGS mind Headshots and Crit are not the sameā¦ i never saw them saying its a bug and need to be fixā¦ and if they do plz tell me cuz i would like to know.
Also we had 2 Months of Gaxe and War hammer metaā¦ with maybe 80% of the ppl playing with itā¦ i dont know what weapons u use but still let also other Weapons shineā¦ there is in Total of 12 Weapons and most of the times i just see 5 of them.
I dont know where all this hate come from Muskets and bow users but yeahā¦
Also i never cried about Gaxe and War hammer beeing OPā¦ most PVP players dont cry on Forums we just try to deal with it even if it gets us Mad but that just how the game works atmā¦
So for all the ppl that come to Forums and cry about Weapons beeing to Op or not to OP just get gud in a freking game and stop to cry.
Also by saying how u kill the Healers ur a Meta Chaser that means ur afraid that Meta changes and u need to change all ur gear maybeā¦ idk and i dont even careā¦ just stop to hate what is not OP in any way
U guys want 1 Build to be able to do everything and thats not how the game works.
It was sort of implied when they addressed Backstab not being reduced, and they fixed that when they made Backstab damage not apply to all crits.
GA/WH is arguably the best build in the game. Bow is the best ranged AoE dps in the game. Musket is the best ST ranged dps in the game. Rapier is one of the most mobile and effective defense weapons in the game. VG is among the best healer killers in the game. IG and FS both got gutted, but you still see them pretty frequently and Life Staff is still a great weapon.
The only weapons I donāt see on a daily basis are Spear and Sword.
Itās not hate, so much as it is the fact that theyāre already in the top tiers of the meta, and while theyāre not overpowered, they could be if you donāt take them into consideration while nerfing their main counter. Although I would argue that Rapier is the bigger offender and problem, as it enables 0 HP builds to be wildly consistent.
And yet talking about the game as balance changes is something that should be done. Regardless of if you agree with it or not, or you want to call it crying.
VG isnāt exactly meta, neither is Armor Breaker WH builds. I have gear for basically every weapon, and I can play them all. Just because I choose to play whatās strongest against someone else who is playing whatās strongest, isnāt a bad thing.
And yet between me and you, youāre the only one arguing for that.
GA/WH is arguably the best build in the game. Bow is the best ranged AoE dps in the game. Musket is the best ST ranged dps in the game. Rapier is one of the most mobile and effective defense weapons in the game. VG is among the best healer killers in the game. IG and FS both got gutted, but you still see them pretty frequently and Life Staff is still a great weapon.
The only weapons I donāt see on a daily basis are Spear and Sword.
I mean its the only ST Ranged weapon since Bow is only Mid to Close rangeā¦ so if its to the best at ST what would be? there is no other Option atm in the game.
About the Headshotsā¦ maybe there is just different Stuff about itā¦ maybe Headshot is not the same as a Crit so it might never be reduced by Resilient. i never saw any Dev saying it should be reduced or anythingā¦ i dont even think the multiplier between crit and Headshot are the sameā¦ so idk about that and problaby u dont even know urself.
They fixed alot of stuff in the PTR and about headshot and resilient was not there so it might not even be a bug at all. but only time will tell.
Musket meta will never be a thingā¦ not in this game since u need ppl on the points and healers can Sustain Tanks or Bruisers.
Same goes for OPR.
Thats all i need to say.
There is always ppl saying Ranged Classes are OP in any game i played so no wonder it happend aswell here.
Lol, this thread went out of the window once OP mentioned GA/WH might as well be deleted.
Dear god do I hope they do.
Canāt wait for the musket and bow nerfs next , lets see how you will cry after that. Right now they are killing the melee so you will be next in line.
Bowās been nerfed so much since alphaā¦itās about time itās on an even keel with some of the āno brainerā weapons.
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