I dont think muskets ruin pvp, i think they make it frustrating to deal with at long distances, and i think long range nerfs (NOT TO DMG, but mechanics) is what they need to nerf. Musket is a sniper atm, what in the fck
You can say incorrect all you want, If I don’t use a health pot or break line of sight, I be dead in 4 shots from some these glass cannons at the start of games. Some muskets hit like a wet noodle. A wet noodle and some hit like a massive truck, while having over 30 thurst resistance. I run completely naked to every other damage type compared to muskets (and bows) which completely shred my hp bar faster than any other class despite having 0 gems for them. Muskets don’t kill me very often, but they ruin my 1v1s or 1vXs and gsme in general. It’s literally impossible to play when a good musket player focuses you. Nothing you have said has changed my mind. Muskets are a toxic weapon and have no place in this game. Sure cheating happens but you can’t prove it and neither AGS apparently, so it’s a pointless conversation. Till it can be accurate proven it’s not a valid argument. Just have to talk about muskets as it is, a hit scan sniper hitting for 4k plus from anywhere on the ma. This is not pvp. There is no counter play. It’s shooting fish in a barrel, it doesn’t allow anyone to play the game, I mean goodness sake even in shooter games you can contest a sniper without having to get on top of them. What game are we playing? Battlefield? Call of duty? Or new world?
Your statement is far from truth. Guys who are consistent with a musket before ME did just fine with it and will do so as well after it gets nerfed. Especially now with the runeglass.
Minority to begin with. Not worth mentioning in a balancing discussion as it is a completely separate issue.
Yeah as if most builds don’t require at least 3 armor perks. Please.
The only way melee can get to the musket guy with enough resources (stamina, cooldowns) to fight him is if he escapes musket attention or musket’s aim is trash. Stop the copium pls.
Musket needs a redesign and ME needs to go to the dumpster or get a significant nerf.
I mean with its current design musket can only be balanced around the 10% who use it which is an absolute design failure imo and here’s why:
The gap between a good and a bad musket player’s impact is huge. Bad sniper wont get the stacks, wont do the dodge combo properly, will miss most of his stance shots, most likely his min/max gets him mundane results.
Good sniper however will benefit from it all and more. Point is it has too many rewards for consistency compared to other weapons which makes those really good musket players so frustrating to deal with because most of New World rock/paper/scissors stuff revolves around close to mid range gameplay. These rules dont apply to muskets outside of Arenas.
PS. Moving 150 INT milestone to 100 could motivate muskets to run more than 50 con too.
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Simple fixes:
Remove hitscan
Add ballistics. Adding ballistics would result in having to lead moving targets and adjust aim to adjusting aiming height dramatically at 100 yards.
The gem conversion needs to be looked at too. It’s completely broken. No way to properly defend against it. Which gem do muskets use? So many to pick from. Then they can easily swap and change it out. Elemental aversion sure but some say stacks and some say it doesn’t. And imo it’s ridiculous to have to specifically gear up specifically for 1 weapon type and if you don’t you just get blasted. Like I said earlier, I don’t spec for any other weapon besides bows and muskets and I do just fine. Nothing blows me up quicker except a BB azoth blast that lands which rarely happens or an ice spike. But those are both really close range and I can outplay it unlike muskets and bows shooting me from who knows where.
Easy Fix. Use a musket!
i agree why would I want to change your mind?
For the musket/bow defenders that always come in to defend their precious cheese:
Please do not lump bow and musket together. the bow is only effective at medium ranges because the arrow has a travel time. While being riddled with musket bullets outside of the render distance.
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Been saying this since launch… muskets should not be in this game.
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agreed just played 2 oprs. Was such a terrible experience i uninstalled until the weekend. Enough nw for the week lol
Like fresh start servers dont intrest me but i would reroll on GUN free server instantly
I agree. Musket ruin the game completely for tons of reasons!!
Just passing to say my solution to the problem.
Instead of nerfing musketers, I want AGS to give more weapons. These are my ideas.
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Maybe daggers are coming with stealth buff.
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bring protection field back: This skill from the alpha Healer was removed but it could be one of solutions.
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A Shield buff weapon: I played lost ark and there was a classe very nice to play that could give shields and this weapon is something New World must have imo because is very fun. Attacking with bubbles, giving bubbles shield, running away inside a hovering bubble could be amazing. It perfect fits with the complaints about musketeers and also number 2.
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building barricades and moving them like big shields. I can even imagine a box like in Kojima games.
You have absolutely no idea how hard it is to hit moving targets with a musket. You want to complain? Complain about bows doing the same damage or a lot more but with a massive hitbox.
Muskets are very very annoying if you just get killed and didnt get to see the action. But the reverse is we get killed by literally everything and it is extremely unforgiving.
You play against .1% of players that can stack mortal empower up to 20 and are ghosts. Not the rest of us
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why even type when it has nothing to do with the topic.
things you could do
remove hitscan
high damage falloff
remove ME (hmm yes perma empowerment for no risk hmm 600-700 dot hmm)
remove dualstat so you cant double scale/ hit and ignore diminishing returns on stats (also need to retune scaling so its still a viable weapon)
remove roll speed (why give it mobility when you play at render distance, make it punishing if its caught.)
Idc about muskets, but bows make me wanna quit the fkin game.
I get hit for 6k from range or from 4k right in my face.
LIke how dodge, they literally wait till I’m in their face to shoot so they get the 4k crit off and then I’m at such a disadvantage already being halfdead.
Any one of these is the end of all muskets as they are now. You’ve offered nothing in terms of how the musket can be reworked. Just killed literally the ONLY build that muskets have to play right now because it’s that bad otherwise
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It has everything to do with the topic.
Musket is the go to weapon for cheater because there is no projectile travel time and no cast time. This way they ensure that it aways hits the target, and in a specific spot (head).
It also works with bow but looses effectiveness.
What I’m saying is Musket is OP paired with cheats, By itself, played by a human that can miss it’s not that OP.
Unfortunately there is no way to know how OP it is without cheats because AGS doesn’t know how to stop cheats from being used… So they pretend they don’t exist, don’t talk about it and deletes threads.
a good geared musket player can now 3 shot any light 200 con. So if you cant hit 3 body shots maybe musket isnt for you?
I know I can, Im just not the griefer kind