This is so fucking true. Given the ABSURD amount of scaling involved
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This whole “recommended gs” thing is more like a dress-code in a restaurant. You either match it perfectly, or you can just f-off
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tbh a healer who knows the dungeon mechanics + knows how threat works doesn’t have to be at recommended. i ran m9 Laz with 613, as a healer (my team knew & it was a risk we were willing to take)
even dps can be a little below recommended for <m8
But if you get rolled because you aren’t at least the recommended gear score, that’s on you… you took a risk and it didnt play out. Repeat lower mutation till your average gear score is higher 
it’s just that simple. i don’t get these complaint threads lol
Sooo you werent at the recommended level and couldnt do the dungeon? Sounds like you took a risk and it didnt pay off
If youre in elementary school does it make sense to compete with university athletes? No it doesnt - this is 100% your fault
Look buddy…I know you think you are quite clever by your comment but here is some basic English for you…Recommended means RECOMMENDED! This suggests to the reader that it may perhaps be possible at a lower gear score. SECONDLY you have no idea what my gearscore was. What if my gearscore was at the base requirement? Makes you look like a gaslighting fool doesn’t it. Keep it coming bruh 
Additional the main point of the thread was to point out the toxicity caused among teammates. Not everyone has the privilege to play with people they know or company members etc…Some people inevitably need to take risks with strangers and the design of this thing makes us examine each other with a fine tooth comb. That was the whole point, the fact that i was getting threatened by some random at the end when i had no real idea people in my team were not ready…
Im a bit unsure, are you unhappy with not being able to kill the boss at lvl 3 mutated or are you mainly focused on the abuse from the player?
I think there is an option ingame to report players, you should use that if you received threats.
Corncerning abuse in general, I think the heavy gating of the content pushes up the prices to go, which in turn makes every run more precious. If runs were free, you could just leave the group and try to find other players and the toxic player would have no reason to threaten you/get toxic.
I know there will always be toxic players, but the system in place is increasing the amount of abuse
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Yes, this guy gets it!
Dude, I ran a normal Laz, with poorly performing DPS, lost aggro on an archer, and was berated and insulted as a “Bad Tank” because of it. He insulted me so much I had to leave. I thankfully though had paid to get in so there was no issue with the orb. People in this game are abusive AF. And your right, this system is making them worse.
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How are they toxic? It sounds like u didnt check their gearscore and the mutation run failed. If you are charging someone for something its your responsibility to ensure they get their moneys worth (aka - did you check their roles? Did you check their gear score?). If you are using your key, you are the leader of the run.
So if being clever means knowing the basics to ensure a dungeon run is successful then yes i am clever. You clearly are not but keep blaming others 
It’s not my job to check other peoples gear score! What is wrong with you? You are simply a troll. There is no instruction manual people are obligated to follow, it’s a computer game and people play to have fun and challenge themselves. Sometimes we will fail, so what! That was not the point of this post. You decided to jump in and start blaming me for s#it…It is not 100% my fault that people want their coin back for a failed run. I don’t fail for people, it is always a team effort. That is the point. This system is an incubator for toxicity. And for the other guy who stated that he “doesn’t understand” complaint threads, MAN it is exactly where AGS tell us to go…They refer us to the forums ffs!
Yeah youre 100% the toxic one. You charge people for a run that wont succeed and think its not your fault lmao. Yes it is your responsibility to check their gs if you dont know them for the benefit of the group. Just like how its your responsibility to ensure theres 1 healer in the group or let me guess you dont do that either because its a game and not a job? “Lets go in with 5 dps because its not my job to know anything about my teammates” lol
Stop creating dumb threads like this because you dont know how to play.
Here you go again, pointing a finger at me…What is wrong with you? The irony of saying that i blame others when right now you are blaming me 100%…Your words…And i actually agree that I need to be more careful and check peoples gear…Make them link it for me hey…well this is where the game is…The post was not about failing the dungeon, it was about expectations and player behaviour. People have had enough of this stuff and we are trying to tell AGS…I will digress from making any personal accusations. People are talking with their feet.
Ummm? Youre literally calling ppl on your team toxic. And im pointing out, in this scenario, that you were the toxic one.
You wasted 4 ppls time and stole their money because you didnt do your due diligence on the players you invited into the group.
I hope you are not in customer service because it doesnt seem like you understand if you sell a defective product that you should return their money. It is not toxic of them to ask. Would you not be upset if you paid for something that didnt work and on top of that wasted your time?
Ok so you understand I have actually paid for failed runs before in the past…Laz/Gen and I did not ask for my gold back. The reason i did not ask for it back is that the orbs cost resources to make and the whole point of us all paying is to cover that cost. The orb gets destroyed/consumed on entry and everyone knows this. It is actually every person in the team that bears the cost. Some people do not understand how difficult things can be and I have never needed to make people show me their gs/items before this update. Normally i ask if people are ready and I trust their response. Since this update i cannot merely trust someones word. That was a big mistake for me but could be avoidable with a more “player friendly” system. The elitists will love the new system but i hope they have others like them to enjoy the game with in the future as I am not that sort of player. I know people will just tell me to “get on my horse then”…Well this is a forum for the devs to gain insight to attract more player base (i hope)…if not my words are in vain…
Not quite, we were able to complete M10 void laz and M10 fire dynasty on 619-622 GS (625 recommended). Each missing GS reduces your dmg dealt and increases your dmg taken until you eventually do (literally) zero damage. So it significantly slows down the run and causes way more deaths, which basically guarantees bronze… but that doesn’t really matter on M10 since bronze still rewards 4k shards. I agree its shit how much GS matters but at least I feel some sort of challenge/progression. In order to get gold you really can’t be any more than 2 GS lower than recommended imo. Proper team comp (Heavy WH/GA dps, Med spear dps, light mage dps, tank, heal) and maximizing your rends/debuffs will also help a lot
edit: nvm i thought you were asking for advice but i read the replies and it seems you just wanted to vent. You have quite a victim mentality and you’re definitely in the wrong in this scenario and should refund the players. If you were completely fine and prepared for the dungeon yourself but the other 4 held you back, I could understand you keeping the gold since they wasted your key… But from the sounds of it, you yourself also weren’t prepared. In life if you don’t do your research and fail, you typically pay the consequence. In this case you paid no consequence, you kept the gold as if you weren’t at fault at all.
When you charge someone gold for a key it is only their contribution to the cost. My personal contribution should be 1/5 of the total cost so yes i have lost gold.
This guy gets it, its all about team comp and dealing with the less dmg you do and more dmg taken. Get on voice chat and make sure you are in sync with everything that’s happening in a fight. We also did m9 with 616/618 GS and pushed through for silver to be able to hit recommended GS and get gold.
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The forums are not the wrong place when i have an issue regarding the game systems, this is where AGS refer all complaints to. Also i was enjoying and learning from your post until you decided to say i have “victim mentality”. Why did you feel it nessesart to add that in. What is wrong with you? Let’s say you are correct and I DO feel like a victim. I do not appreciate being threatened by people in a damn computer game (as per my original post). This was intended for AGS to learn from, not for tough guys like you to feed your ego.
Thats amazing, your team survived with one less player. Nice!