Need OFFICAL word on tax problem

I don’t like the gold I earn going to players that do absolutely nothing for me. It doesn’t matter how much gold I have or don’t have.

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Taxes suck we have a clan of gold sellers maxing all towns and raking in all the $$$$$$

The WW and EF company members are easy to pick out here. It’s pretty obvious when someone defends such a disgusting game system as the tax system in this game…they are grossly benefiting from it. I know a lot of them have the default line that they’re not part of a town owning company bla bla bla…

yeah I get that. Thinking about it I do not like that either

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So everyone who isn’t upset like you must be on the take? It just couldn’t be that some people aren’t upset like you?

I have no idea how that sentence pertains to the facts I laid out. If you’d like some further education please ask a logical question or state a logical opinion.

That is your quote. So if someone defends the current tax system, the only reason they can be doing it is because they are profiting from it. There is no other possible explanation according to you. Now think about what I posted. Maybe people aren’t upset like you, aren’t bothered by it, don’t think it is that big of a deal. According to you, that cannot be possible … those people must be profiting from it … ie they are what, just lying when they say they are not in one of the controlling companies?

Well I suppose there are real people that get off on physically hurting themselves and such. So yeah although the chances are slim I can stretch to imagine someone may actually enjoy such an overtly toxic and unfun system they they get zero benefit from.

No, it’s simply that you are totally wrong. People know it’s not an issue and you have a small amount of others crying against a designed system that impacts them in no way.

not only that but it would also add incentive to join the faction with the lowest population and push for land because there would be more money if there is less people and they take land.

Please provide evidence that everyone else is happy with the system? Maybe ask the 95% that stopped playing to come back and explain why they left.

Even with the changes the WW/EF owners are hitting it big. Hopefully with time they add real restrictions that stop those two territories from dominating allowing all territories to be worthwhile and therefore decent PVP targets.

To say the current system is fine is either complete ignorance or just lying to protect your RMT interests.

Hahahahha rmt conspiracies again. If you don’t like a company having a town man up and take it

I’ve had that dude muted for weeks now. I’ve found he never says anything worth reading.

RMT is one example that we know occurred on our server.

We have seen many cases of the best PVPers being paid to defend those territories, with all that free money. It was literally talked about as the war was happening. And the actual owners if they bother to show up have the best of what they need form buying it or buying the mats to make it. Look at the threads that talk about this, you’re ignoring them or just being deceitful.

From what we’ve learnt there is zero accountability for people doing the wrong thing (exploiters, dupers, cheats, bots, few are banned and some are back after a day) so it is pointless to keep reporting them.

The system has to change. If you are a PVPer and want more wars then the other territories need to be more worthwhile or more importantly, EF/WW need to be less important. Amrine and Starstone (not so much) bring people back to do them (even lvl 60s!), where are the lvl 45+ dungeons for FL, MB and CK that bring the high levels thru on occasion?

I think a limit to the number of T5 crafting stations a town can have would help a lot Let’s say 1 or 2 T5s only, the rest can be T4 (all refining can be T5). And the cost to have those stations should be a lot higher than present.

Others have mentioned that companies should lose their territory if they do not pay upkeep (you know, the shell companies with one person owned by EF/WW owners). This again would create some desire to PVP as active, involved companies would compete for it.

The reason we think you must be profiting is because there are so many problems and you think it’s fine. It obviously isn’t so you are either lying or just clueless. So which is it?

There isn’t a problem, if you simply aren’t good enough to take a city don’t blame the game. Take a deep breath and realize this game might not be right for you

‘Not good enough to take a city’… Wow… just… wow… I suppose he just better git gud then.
Let’s close this thread with some cold hard facts.
Taxes paid to OTHER PLAYERS is the PROBLEM. Period.
People claim I’m a ‘communist’ if I think that’s a problem. I’m really not. I grew up in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts. We are socailsts, not communist. The communists are to the Northwest in Vermont.
Why am I upset? It’s simple. I grew up under the left wing propaganda of Big Bird. I was taught dangerous ideas like ‘sharing’ and ‘numbers’. So obviously I don’t understand how the ‘real’ (read fantasy world of NW) works. I simply refuse to think that working for other players to be able to partake in activities like trading, crafting, owning a house, etc, is the best way for an economy to be run. And the method that Amazon used to try and run the economy is allowing worthless mouth breaters to tax regular players.
Call me a socialist, it’s probably true. I am a victim of a well funded preschool where I was subjected to obviously unamerican ideas like kindness and letters. But until Amazon realizes that the entire concept of transferring wealth from one group to the other is literally the stupidest idea ever, I will no longer particpate in the game. Not going to delete my character. Why should I, invested a lot in it, just not going to support a non socailist utopia.

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Bravo!

Unfortunately I don’t think the whole transfer of wealth has anything to do with politics, agenda or ideology. It’s just another very poorly designed system that was supposed to promote PVP by making companies want to fight wars over territory.

But combined with so many other poorly designed systems that allow shell companies to exist, players to fight in more than one war a day or fight for other factions, swap companies instantly (to make or keep shell companies), so on and so forth, blah blah blah.

It all needs to be redesigned, TESTED and then implemented.

AGS needs to stop with the band-aids and start performing major surgery.

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I totally agree. I completely refuse to farm while others are earning millions in gold with a flawed mechanic and in many cases like mine server were thanks to gaining territories with exploits. All that gold should be purged or many people will not want to come back

Bet you your next tax payment we won’t even see that…

I donotcare :upside_down_face: