This doesn’t have to be the case though. MMOs are so much more than just grinding. Like, I get that grinding has been common in the genre forever, but I feel very sad for the people who define it by grinding when there are far more important aspects which are unique to the genre, like the massive overworlds and communities.
The devs should tell nolifers to go fuck themselves, frankly. If you want to play 50 hours a week then figure out how to make your own adventure and create your own fun within the world or find a new game once you’re done with the content. The mentally ill shouldn’t be dictating the pace of the game, and especially not when pacing the game for them inherently excludes most of the playerbase from participating fully.
This is fine in a purely PvE game, but in a PvP game your combat prowess should level off after a period of time which is predicated on the lowest common denominator.
If the sweats have an edge it should just be having perfect sets for more weapons (and more variations on each set), but a casual player should be able to have a powercapped set for a couple weapon loadouts, or every possible combination for a single loadout.
I totally feel the same lately and I am pretty fresh to lvl 60 so my main target should be to increase my Gearscore and get good gear either by buying (gold needed) or by crafting (skill, gear & trophies needed).
My main issue is, the stuff that would raise my GS I mostly dont enjoy doing, or just like doing once a week or so before it gets very dull and hollow. Meanwhile the stuff I was doing from lvl 1-60 mainly exploring, doing quests does not progress my character at all. This makes the game to a task like doing laundry. Even if I fight lvl 60+ mobs I dont get any progress and a new system is around the corner I wont even be able to do as I will never get that much faction tokens to progess there in a way that is worth my free time.
I mean I catch myself going fishing instead and then getting annoyed because I cant store the catch because my storages are full and I cant craft anything remotely sellable or usable out of them. Or I go exploring looting chests just for receipes for cooking and furniture, which I cant craft because I cant bring myself to upp the skill of it, because it is too much of a hassle to manage storage, workstations, crafting buffs, azoth costs and purchase prices for raw material. And that is mostly the moment I log off because I am frustrated or annoyed.
This discussion has been the most interesting and deep I’ve seen on this subject in quite a while, and this comment especially appeals to me.
I know you were directing this at the 50 hrs/week crowd, but I think it really applies to everybody. We all make our own adventures within these worlds, whether we know it or not.
That’s the beauty of mmos: the freedom to be who you want to be, or at least an approximation of that. I think too many people look to mmos to escape the rat-race of their own lives, and rightly so - only to fall into a rat-race in mmos, trying to catch up to other players or rush to an endgame because that’s what mmo forums declare is the right way to play.
Anyway, that’s just my musings. Enjoy the discussion. Have a good one.
In theory, yes. In practice this has only happened for me on rare occasion. Some of my friends only play for a day or two a week now and just don’t have orbs at all. Others play nearly full time and have other friends in game that they will do orb rotations with. Others still have maxed out their gear score and gotten the legendary drops they want, so they just don’t bother with expeditions anymore.
It’s a catch-22. If I dumped hundreds of hours into putting together the perfect set of gear for PVP, then I’d want it to actually mean something. Having it just get nullified for the sake of letting casual players compete would discourage me from putting the time in the first place.
I don’t have a PVP gear set and I don’t mind hardcore players having an edge with theirs. In the end, the advantage is still less than 10% and I feel that outplay potential is still there. I would support standardized PVP gear sets for a competitive arena mode where there are no real stakes at play and the point is truly seeing who is the better fighter. But for wars? I want my hundreds of hours to turn into an advantage.
That’s perfectly fine. Don’t. PvP for the sake of competition or don’t PvP at all. If your only joy from interacting with PvP comes specifically from having power over other players (i.e. your joy is directly tied to how much joy you can deprive others of) I am perfectly fine with you staying away from it entirely.
In the end, the advantage is still less than 10%
Not even remotely. The difference between someone in fully BiS and an average player is buck fucking wild in this game my dude. You literally go from 2 to 3 perks on your gear and gain access to an entire extra attribute perk (so 11 extra perks total) going from BiS 599 gear to BiS 600 gear. I haven’t seen a gear-derived power disparity this large since vanilla WoW.
But for wars? I want my hundreds of hours to turn into an advantage.
Then I suggest spending that hundred hours getting better at the game.
Edit: For the record, I am not saying that the grind needs to be removed entirely, but the combat power growth needs to have an upper limit that is reasonably achievable by everyone. One hundred hours of post-cap grind would actually be like vacationing on a tropical island compared to the current state of the game where there are people with many hundreds of hours played at cap, spending most of their time improving one weapon set, who don’t have a single BiS item, let alone 10. Or they could use umbral shards to change the power curve such that getting 600 GS with three perks is relatively easy and the millennium grind is purely from 601-625 and actually only gives you a 5%ish power boost since you don’t unlock any extra perks on your gear or attribute loadout.
That’s a fair viewpoint and the right solution may be in the middle somewhere. Either way, we’ve strayed a little off topic. I’d prefer to stay focused on how casual players can have fun content to do that still helps their progression. Fixing that alone may help resolve some of the issues you describe.
The biggest issue with New World right now is that the game isn’t just slightly too grindy, but rather is so cataclysmically grindy that you can’t even see a reasonable grind with the most powerful terrestrial telescope pointed at the galaxy where that reasonable grind currently is. I mean what you described in your OP is basically the same scenario for anything you do, and the average progress you can make per hour is microscopic, and paced in the worst way possible. You can dump literally 300k gold into the void of crafting and have absolutely fuckall to show for it, and then randomly one day weeks later you get a hit and have something to show for it but it’s still not remotely worth the overall effort it took and you had to battle through severe depression and emotional turmoil because the devs seem to have found a textbook on toxic, abusive relationships and are modeling this game after one.
Even for a first pass missing the mark by this amount is insanity. It’s like they don’t have anyone actually crunching the numbers and applying it to real time. Even for the most hopelessly addicted nolifers this game is a huge slog, let alone for people who interact with the game in anything resembling a healthy manner who play for a fifth of the time. But those nolifers are the issue. Their degenerate behavior is seen as some valid data point and that leads the devs to think stupid shit like the middle-point between 12 hour days and 2 hour days is like a reasonable compromise, but it’s not. Nolifers should be left to ruin the game for themselves and run out of content in a month if what they want to do is play in one month the same amount that it’s reasonable to play in four if you are a serious hobbyist gamer.
What would my life be without my fifth Keenly Jagged musket with Mortal Siphoning? 7k well-spent on a gun that won’t even sell for 1k. Or maybe RNG is feeling saucy and instead I get a legendary with Mortal Siphoning and Beast Bane! Now that gun might actually sell for a solid 4 g’s despite costing an average of 42k to craft!
I agree, dailies suck. They need to do catch up differently. If you miss 2 days of orbs then you should be able to make 2 gypsum orbs, same as asmo.
Being forced to log in daily is such a pain, especially when you just want to play like once or twice a week for a long period of time rather than 2 hours every day. I really hate dailies for this reason
You get to pay taxes on all your crafts to… You know hard earned coin you farm going into the pockets of a few players who contributed nothing to you earning the coin your taxed
If you are not looking for another shitty looking generic glorified Korean Grinder. You can do what a lot of us did. And switch to either GW2, ESO, and FFXIV. Those three MMOs offers a lot of PvE and PvP content outside of just grinding the same few NPCs or Chests for 2k + hours to be able to PvP.
ESO and GW2 will have you a competitive PvPers before you hit your 100 hour mark. Because these games believe in horizontal progression. FFXIV has over 300 hours of storyrich questlines. And on top of that it has over 100 different instances that are fun for players at every level.
New World baited us in with promises of being a Western MMO with skill based PvP. Only to switch on us less than two months after release. To be the inferior looking glorified Korean Grinder that it is now.
Unfair RNG Grinds don’t equal difficult or content. It actually equals complete boredom for the overwhelming majority of gamers. Hench why even though there are more Korean MMOs than there are Western MMOs. Western MMOs hold many times more daily players than Korean Grinder MMOs that look better than New World.
This is nothing more than a Scam MMO tax write off for Amazon.
Sadly the combat in these games is highly lacking. Pseudo-action combat instead of the real thing. I’ve wanted actually to quit NW twice over things which are worthy of quitting over, but the issue both times is I can’t find another game that has that mote of satisfying combat which New World does have despite all the design issues and bugs. Simple shit like drilling my rapier heavy attack into Evade and dodge backwards, into swapping to my musket into one shot into dodge-reloading into a second shot is so inherently satisfying. Grabbing a thousand iron carts and heading to that fort in southern Great Cleave where I can practice shooting with targets that move laterally since they’re on a walkway and have to head for the stairs on the one side. Running through the rift in Shattered Mountain making my way with only my rapier, trying to dodge as much as humanly possible. And of course the PvP that all this training is for.
If there were a multiplayer game with this combat I would swap in a heartbeat but it just doesn’t exist so far as I can tell. The closest are all single-player titles, and they’re only close. It’s really sad how with what the game does well the bar they had to clear with everything else is so low and they still managed to just catastrophically fuck it all up. Like hey, how about we, I dunno, make the power grind less than one thousand hours for a single weapon set? How about we take five seconds to consider the implications of the tax and territory system and how it’s going to lead to small groups of players with manyfold access to resources compared to everyone else, and how when combined with the defender’s advantage and the fact that the power grind is, in fact, as long as it is, it’ll make early advantages nearly insurmountable by outside forces? How about we not have an actual encyclopedia of gamebreaking bugs? Wouldn’t it be wild if we were just baseline competent and the game didn’t experience 10x the number of critical bugs as any other game?
If the game just… worked, and the systems were within even one standard deviation of the mark, it’d be amazing and have a bright future. This forum should be filled with like what new weapons and systems would be cool, and nuanced discussions on the minutia of the systems that exist. We shouldn’t be battling over idiotic basic fucking questions of, “Should territory owners have 50% more armor perks than 98% of the level 60 population could ever dream of getting even if they also put an objectively unhealthy amount of time into the game?” It’s fucking asinine.
I wouldn’t even play New World (or any other MMORPG) if I only had 1.5 hours to play each day. MMORPGs are time sinks. If you have such a busy life maybe look for other, possibly single player, games.
I’ve found that when I have limited time I have infinitely more fun if I ignore daily tasks. Other things I’ll do is log off wherever I am when my time runs out. If that’s in the middle of an elite zone so be it. Orbs are soon mostly tradeable so you’re kinda getting your wish
