Perfect "Expertise" Compromise. This needs attention. From US and AGS

[kevsenice]

do you have any idea how expertise system works?

[Mrsjessica]

So any items obtained prior to this patch will not be impacted or reduced in any way.

Don’t forget this part

[Laxx]

Awesome reading all the chicken little posts about AGS hating crafters and as a result, would never make a change like this.

Like the one they posted about 3 hours ago.

This community is so smooth it hurts sometimes.

[Pasta1]

In early 2022, when we start reducing the effectiveness of gear to your Expertise level, we will exempt the following items:

• Any item you craft
• Any item you earn from a quest
• Any item you purchase from the faction shop

And I was already happy that exploiters got their dupes useless but they will keep having their Voidbents and other crafted gear at 600. Nice change made worse.

Congratulations OP.

[Pasta1]

This idea is wrong, leaving a lot of field for exploits, and all you need to get expertise maxed is 1 gold dupe value.

[SuperGazi]

That’s a huge step in the right direction. I was planning to quit but now the game suddenly became much more compelling than it was before.

Promoting crafters/gatherers in a player driven economy is something you can never go wrong with. I understand people who are not interested in gathering/crafting would feel less valued now. So my recommendation would be to add some more legendary sets as powerful as or more powerful than voidbent that only drop from certain named bosses and dungeons with a very little chance (Should be a lower chance than getting a single void ore). This will not only incentivise crafters to go kill monsters but also make the pure monster killers feel more engaged.

Thank you AGS developers for your devoted time into this. Please keep up the good work.

[Njorde]

It doesn’t cover your production/investment time at all.

[Krick]

@Teeklin

They listened to the loudest whiners, but it will hurt the overall state of the game and gameplay in the long run.

This compromise still keeps the game a pay-to-win non-interactive grind fest where most of the content is unnecessary to experience to achieve best in slot gear and you don’t ever have to actually leave town to climb.

They have listened to those who play the game the least, to appease the playstyles of those who experience the least amount of game content, at the expense of the overall health of the game.

In two months time you’ll just buy your friends to 200 in armorsmithing and have them craft a full set of gear for themselves the day they hit 60 and essentially the entire endgame will be skippable to get from the point you hit lvl 60 to the point you are done playing the game because you have BIS every piece of gear and the only worthwhile PvP content in the game is boring and stupid to play for more than an hour at a time because of all its glaring flaws.

Why are people always so focused on pvp, can’t handle someone else having a leved playing ground…
The expertise down scaling is needed for new player’s so their instantly wouldn’t buy 600 gear score gear, when hitting 60 and then having no motivation to run any kind of pve in the game, when everything their would get would be crap.

Now their can still buy gear but it gets more powerful so their’s a motivation to grind on the way or their can just decide to rely on item’s drop, with the new gypsum system their can quickly raise a few thing’s faster then the old system, like 7 gold is nothing for gypsum good changes.

Only thing people can still raise craft’s and then get instant 600 gear but who really care’s that’s thousands of gold where talking about over 100k to raise a crafting skill, will some do it yes but why care.

[Astifania]

So everyone can push his crafting skill to get a 600 GS without pushing the watermark. That’s sound terrible for me and i’m a crafter. With this change the profession as crafter is useless, because everyone push his crafting skills self to get 600 GS. So for me can this the point to quit the game.

[Seralli]

to the point you are done playing the game because you have BIS every piece of gear and the only worthwhile PvP content in the game is boring and stupid to play for more than an hour at a time because of all its glaring flaws.

You clearly are not in a competent company if OPR is your only source of PvP. So you are right about 1 thing. Being one of the ‘loudest whiners’

OPR is far from the only source of PvP content. That is why you will quit playing the game, it has nothing to do with BIS gear.

[demank]

The latest changes you guys made to accommodate people that didn’t grind watermark are awful. It will make a lot of people quit the game.
First of all, you are killing months of people’s grind that tried to increase their watermark in Myrgard, sirens or any other place with what? “Oh let’s have a person buy a 600gs item now so they can jump to 560 watermark”
This will litteraly allow banned accounts to come back, level to 60 abs buy 600 Gs items.
NOBODY that didn’t do watermark should get a shortcut in the game. You guys are litteraly helping with a legal exploits people that slacked one aspect of the game to reach 560-600 watermark just by buying stuff. This is insane!!!
It’s like helping a person that doesn’t craft and having him hit 150 crafting by buying 600gs items. He literally skipped the entire profession but let’s help this “poor” guy.
If these are the changes , my entire guild of 200+ will leave the game. You guys are literally playing with our time, months of grind playing the game how it needs to be played and you guys are allowing new 60 or people that SLACKED to just cheat the system AND boosting everyone watermark up. WHAT A JOKE!!!

[BarristanOatly]

Well, then so be it! According to all the posts I am reading here on this platform A LOT of people will leave. No matter what they do. No matter anything. So find a compromise and let the leavers leave. Travelers shouldn’t be stopped!

[demank]

You are simply butthurt that you skipped the entire watermark and you can simply buy a 600gs and increase your watermark. If you think that’s a balance way of doing things you are restarted and this game will die.
I care about the game, you just care about your interests

[Norry]

[Dev Blog] End Game Update

Thank you all for your continued feedback on the Expertise and Gypsum System. Whenever possible, we want to share upcoming changes and discuss them with you, so we can build a better game together. Your feedback on this system has greatly improved the direction, so thank you again! Before diving in, I want to be clear that we are dedicated to not reducing the power of players in the world (other than cases addressing bugs and imbalance problems). The rest of this post details how we are achie…

[rekkie]

@Averel000

New watermark wont affect me but i find it unfair to people that really like crafting.

If they really like crafting why do they care what their HWM is then?

No, like crafting HWM takes work… work for it but dont have it handed to you.

[Kaster]

The expertise compromise is likely to create more problems than it solves, as many have cited here. Honestly, it sounds like a confusing mess: “Full listed GS if you crafted the item, but not if you trade it to someone else… your real GS will be somewhere between your watermark and the GS of dropped gear, etc…” It’s just a mess.

Here’s a wacky idea - leave the current watermark system as is, but add bonuses at 600 GS IF your watermark is actually 600. For example, you hit 600 watermark on your head slot. Now, when you equip a GS 600 hat, three stars appear on the item. Every time you loot a 595+ GS head item, you add an xp amount towards the first star, and so on. And completed stars give a general buff to that item slot: 1%, 3%, 5%, or whatever. It’ll give min-maxers a goal and it won’t blow up the current system.

[MacPara]

This whole Gypsum/Expertise idea should have been scrapped. Period. The game is already a convoluted grind fest and doesn’t need another avenue to keep the grind going. Good Lord, just focus on the lag issues, stability and bugs. The game is getting worse with every update you release. The next one might be the one where I just say: F… it.

[FilmoreGraves]

@Kaster

The expertise compromise is likely to create more problems than it solves, as many have cited here. Honestly, it sounds like a confusing mess: “Full listed GS if you crafted the item, but not if you trade it to someone else… your real GS will be somewhere between your watermark and the GS of dropped gear, etc…” It’s just a mess.

Nothing complicated about it and its perfectly fine with the new changes.

[Riesling]

So you wanna buy resourses for few thousand coins to craft that guarantee 600 gs weapons/voidbend and just pass all this system cause you are part of glorious “i cant do anything so im a crafter” race?)
Nothing will change in this case, they wanna make impossible to just buy everything from the market to be strong, they wanna you to play game, visit poi, opr etc.
Idk why are you all so mad about this system… Omg this game has no enchant system, why you care so mutch about guarantee raise of some numbers that will make you like 5% stronger?

[Wild_Moss]

OMG, they are actually listening.

This might be enough to turn the game around, and I might start playing again!

Or I might not, will wait and see the general consensus after it’s been live for a few weeks.