But what is the problem? You suggested to make spear more like bow but downplay a bow players perspective??
Many people think spear is in a great spot. Using abilities at the correct time is key to being a good player.
If anything, close this topic since it’s going no where.
yea but perforate is actually a death sentence unless enemy has no stam or no abilities left.
used perforate on ice mage? They can entomb and avoid damage + rend + cleanse and get 1.4k health + full stamina back. Not to mention when they break tomb you get damaged and knockback.
used perforate on another ice mage? They can spike and knock you back + stagger you completely remove it.
used perforate on firestaff? They dodge behind you (you can’t turn at 180 with perforate consecutive attacks) and start flaming you while you miss your attacks but they get flamethrower dot + attunement + jagged 600 bleeds.
used perforate on hammer? They wrecking ball or shockwave
used perforate on axe? They maelstrom, charge, reap, whirlwind out
used perforate on rapier? free riposte hit, free flourish and finish hit
used perforate on bow? free evade shot damage + knockback + movespeed to enemy
used perforate on musket? Stopping power in your face, you get knockback + 10% slow + 10% exhaust for 10 seconds.
used perforate on greatsword? skyward removes your perforate and puts a double rend on you + disease LOL
used perforate on another gs? steadfast removes your perforate and gives them fat heal + stamina back
used perforate on a defensive gs? calamity counter and you get knocked back (this knockback btw stacks with other knockbacks and you dont get a free dodge roll)
used perforate on sword and shield? get shield bashed into heavy (removing debuff and doing so much damage), or get shield rushed, or get leap striked, or get reverse stabbed or just get blocked for 15stam damage.
used perforate on hatchet? social distancing and you are rooted while they run away
or they just hit you back with raging torrent which will do more damage than your perforate (even with fortify on)
used perforate on blunderbuss? get net shot and slowed into oblivion, or get azoth shrapnel blasted for 8k including the nade that explodes after a timer, or get blast shot if BB is running that
used perforate on VG? Get screamed and die.
EVERY SINGLE WEAPON, has 1 or more ability which hard counters perforate. Partial problem is the lack of mobility and cancel window where if you want to oiutplay someone, you cant because of animation lock.
EVERY SINGLE WEAPON mind you. All the while, you can literally single dodge away from perforate and spear is animation locked while you gain distance and the slow from melee auto dies out.
While i am not the one to ask for spear buffs, but after reading you whiner’s comments on how spear is “OP”. Spear actually is the most classy weapon i’ve played, If you’re getting dogged on by a perforate, you are getting hard outplayed because the spear player was patient to watch your stamina and your cooldowns to ensure they perforate at a time where you can’t do anything.
Imagine 1 ability so useful and so useless at the same time, you can only use it if enemy player has blown their major abilities or it puts you in jeopardy rather than allow you to play the game.
SMH on dog players talking about spear as if they know shit.
yeh I guess my biggest gripe with spear currently is the balance of other weapons, greatsword having 4 staggers and it having cleave potential makes the weapon a far better kill squad weapon in wars, 1v1 I can also clown on GS light, medium is closer and that is probably due to the greatswords access to base damage increases being massively overtuned oh and the 20% perma haste making you only able to die if you are trolling and a weapon that is impossible to get away from once you want to run. Straight up damage of bow and musket being pretty overtuned along with the haste, with BIS weapon with 3 annoying range staggers they are pretty obnoxious… I’d say in the current meta spear should have animation cancel on perforate. Who knows what AGS are planning for their balance pass.
I play melee too, sns spear, gaxe gs, hammer spear, I also play ig bb and gs bb, melee has an edge on ranged in 90% of the content NW has to offer. My main build is the bow. I don’t play from a foggy lense, I see the game in it’s entirety. And anyone who things ranged or mages are OP right now, is willingly turning the blind eye to the game that is actually played, melee piling in a million sacred grounds. Tell me how many oprs you win because you have the most ranged, get tf outta here.
Spear/what?
Y’all only use one weapon in duels?
This discussion isn’t about buffing spear for chasing or moredamage.
so stop complaining and going off on an unrelated tangent.
Its about making perforate consistent with other animation cancel abilities.
Yeah, it is one of the few weapons that is balanced… and honestly it is a bit on the OP side for PvE and 1v1… But we don’t need a small buff and then a massive nerf to it two months later…
make sure you say that to the guy i responded to on here, that brought up the off topic topic to begin with.
No one said it’s op, spear’s in a great spot WHEN used properly.
Yes, if you throw random perforates, you’ll be punished… THIS IS GOOD. We need more punishment windows on weapons not less. Everyone can play so defensive that combat becomes a headache if you can’t lock someone down or have ample chase abilities to catch a runner.
Pair perforate with a sweep and you guarantee 2 of 3 hits. Not to mention the bonus damage on knocked targets, plus rend, plus fortify.
. Here’s me playing spear. I have a pretty good understanding of weapon meta and spears great.
TLDW displays how well SP works against almost every weapon, I dare say balanced. 5 man organized groups chase me across the map to clear my stacks because they want those sweet cattboy cheeks
Xoxx
Use the ability at the right time and it isn’t a problem.
Even a 2 hit connection into most abilities and you come out on top of the trade.
I’ll trade into a maelstrom, void gaunt, skyward, etc any day
a. no other weapon gets punished harder than a spear perforate
b. all weapons with similar abilities can cancel (rapier flurry, hatchet torrent, rapid shot on bow, crosscut on gs, shooters on musket)
c. you effectively can’t use perforate unless someone has no abilities or dodges left, or they just dodge out of it.
For an ability which locks you in animation, Thats very rough^. The least Devs can do is add a bit of consistensy.
ok remove cancels from all aforementioned abilities too.
if you cancel abilities you are out of cd, so you can’t play defensive. Kinda counterinitiative but whatever.
So your assumption is
a. you HAVE to run sweep
b. sweep must be landed or perforate is useless.
Good luck vs grit users XD
not really, i watched 58 seconds and you are so bad i can’t even begin to explain.
your entire kit is dependent on landing sweep, you have 0 impact and anytime you get even a single combo hit (you dont know how to dodge) you pop beserk and start running.
All you are doing is trying to find ways to third party, thats not how spear is played. Anyone can third party with any weapon.
You wanna see how spear is played?
the time you run around with hatchet, i have impact with a bow. And i can actually fight bruisers when i dont run sweep, unlike you.
I am sorry, but i am not going to watch beyond 58 seconds, it wasn’t interesting enough.
I just watched your video, you might need to take a breather bro, killing people in arena and typing in area chat after a kill lmao go sit in time out. Poor sport dude
In 9minutes, your perforate was interrupted twice… TWICE!? You still executed 2 of the 3 attacks before it was interrupted. I really don’t understand the ask to make it dodge cancelable when its working great.
Have fun raging I guess,
cb
He’s playing heavy ice pylon bb in arena, you want me to not tell him to uninstall? Good talk.
every single perforate was either dodged away from, or i did it when opponent had no stam and no abilities. But yea keep talking
With all respect, are you stupid?
Becuase I want to perforate works EXACTLY the same way as Bow’s Rapid shot or Greatsword’s Crosscut, it means I want to make from spear mix of greatsword and bow?
for real, with all respect, but I think you did not get anything from thic topic, so the only thing that can be closed in this case is probably your face, sir.
To be honest, sometimes yes, one weapon duel only 
just for fun mostly
I still do not get it. Why people are so worry about perforate, when Crosscut or Rapid shot is same deadly? I do not get that unbalance here and not trying to be fair for all weapons, not only your favorite guys.
My argument is: Crosscut for example, works the same and has got cancel window. Rapid shot was also locking you in the place, and people complain about it, so they improve it.
I do not see ANY logical reason why Perforate shouldn’t get same love as these 2 mentioned skills.
can ANY of You argue that? If rapid shot and crosscut have it, then what is the problem for perforate?
If perforate won’t get it, then rapid shot should be changed back to lock in animation, and crosscut should be changed too…
this is nowadays community, they only want buffs and imporves on the weapons they like, not on every weapon to be balanced.
Don’t even. Perforate is amazing powerful as it is. Hope they don’t even look at the weapon.
I’m pretty sure that every spear player here agrees that the rapid shot treatment would be a nice thing to have on perforate, but we also understand that there is a high possibility that the devs will do something drastic instead of just implementing a small change like that.
If you know what you’re doing, the lack of cancellation isn’t an issue. It would be nice to have, but I’ll only ask for it when the devs stop messing things up.
tbh this whole thread has run its course and people are just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s also that guy who thinks he’s hot stuff when he’s average like everyone else, lol.
I doubt you’ll get any new meaningful discussions from this topic. Just know that your suggestion isn’t “wrong”, it’s just not a priority for most people.
Bump
I agree here, and I actually think the changes to light armor benefit Spear in the long run.
And one another time: none speaking about any dmg, or anything. Perforate should works like Rapid shot or Crosscut with a cancel window. Now read that again.
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