+1 for no addons.
This was one of the things I hated most about WoW. Ruined immersion but were forced to feel like you had to have them otherwise everyone else would have an advantage over you.
did you require an addon to write that for you?
no seriously, your rude and toxic to everyone else. who the fuck do you even think you are little girl?
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OK, so here’s a story from my time in WoW. I was running resto druid during the era when the meta was LB spam (for other: healer, you put three stacks of a HoT on someone, targeted the next dude, three stacks on him, rinse and repeat). It was boring. It was easy. It was brainless.
I and a friend stayed up one night and spent hours tweaking a build and running sims until I came away with a Regrowth based build. It was waaay more micro-managey to play, and was a 0.02% HPS increase (in simulation). Literally negligible improvement for more effort. I loved it. I ran it the next night in raid and performed way better, because I was actually engaged with the content and having fun and understood the build better than someone copying a cookie cutter off a forum somewhere. All the other resto druids in guild were haranguing me to share, which I did, obviously (some liked it, some found it too hard and reverted, different strokes no biggie). Clearly a winning build. And, in fact, a couple of weeks later one of the world first guilds came out with a meta build that was one talent point different to mine, so I wasn’t just a lunatic and it was down to a weird play style: it was objectively good.
Now, before the entire community started considering this a meta build, I tried to join some random pugs. Literally three in a row kicked me before the first pull because when they queried why I was using a Regrowth idol instead of a LB one, I told them I was specced for that, and was promptly told I was a ‘casual’ and ‘dead weight’ and ‘wasting people’s time’. So, because the community was so brainwashed that they thought only e-sport teams could come up with decent builds, and the unwashed masses had to copy boring cookie cutter specs published by them, they kicked someone who was performing better. I had to give up pugging on that character until the vindication of my ‘slacker’ build being shown to be better than the one everyone else was running.
So that’s the issue with toxic elitism. It’s not that people don’t want casuals/bads/whatever, it’s that they don’t want different, and that is how you kill innovation and experimentation to ensure that no one is actually ‘hardcore’ or good and everyone stays average and boring. Personally, I want a game where people are allowed to be good and efficient and improve by taking risks, not one where we all drudge along at the same moderate pace holding back the actual good players so that moderate players can think they’re ‘elite’ because they can copy-paste a build and press a button when the screen flashes a pre-set timer at them with all the skill requirement of the average bot.
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Sorry but I can talk the way I want. Deal with it.
So gonna talk about addons any day? I’m not interested in you man, not into this stuff.
Toxicity, misogyny and sexism in one heap. You really should quit now. One for being insulting to women and two because add-ons are coming, little boy.
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If you read previous posts by the community team, they have said that if you use said 3rd party software (prior to the news) it could result in your account being penalized, as currently the use of 3rd party software is against the Terms of Service.
Personally, I hope they do not allow the use of Overwolf as it will then breed the demand for more and more addons, which would then turn this game is a yet another boring piece of trash, where people are more interested in what addons to run, so they don’t have to put any effort into their gameplay.
Of course this is just my personal opinion and I personally believe addons are cancer to a game.
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+1 for addons/mounts.
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I don’t think an overlay is a add on.
I like addons please addons for Newworld
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I don’t think oak is wood.
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if she wanted to be treat like a woman atleast she should act like one, and not like a 13 year old toxic teenager. we all know thats probably a 40 year old dude behind a female name.
read the shit he/she been writing to others, i just give him/her the same treatment as she/he is giving others.
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+1 for no Overwolf / Addons.
Addons make lazy people, they don’t use their eyes for search in the horizon
The difference is, people here are talking about the topic (being toxic or not is a point of view), you are here seeking my attention since you brought NOTHING related to the OP.
Once again, 0 interest in you.
So either shut the fuck up or start discussing what’s being discussed here. You can always PM you know, but I assure you’re gonna be ignored.
You mean just like you?
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Weren’t we talking about addons?
Oh I forgot, I’m ignoring you even said it’s more productive to talk to a dog cause you understand nothing. Bb
Yes, WE are talking about addons while you show up every once in a while to disrupt and insult.
So why dont you take your own advice:
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Thank you for the clear demonstration of my point, caps and all.
This was very well-put and a super thoughtful post. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate you taking the time to explain yourself so clearly. You’ve articulated exactly why this statistics introduction elevates toxicity and attracts more of the min/max elitism crowd.
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Love this post & Agree with the sentiment on how elitism negatively impacts MMORPG’s. I must however ask whether or not you had the same experience with every player/group you’ve encountered at that time in wow before your build was adopted? More importantly, did elitism impede you from reaching your goals in the game?
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When using accepted pre-sets, it varied, but mostly not; it was only when I tried to improve that I got that kind of shutdown. Occasionally I’d encounter newbies who hadn’t been ‘tainted’ with that kind of bias, but generally anyone who had any kind of experience was equally aggressively against deviation from The Holy Guides™.
Most of my ‘goals’ ended up being met because I learned to stick with just my friends/guild and not try to join in with the community at large. And from others at the same level, that was a fairly common outcome. Most were laughing at me, like what did you expect partying with randoms, there’s a reason they’re not in a top guild.
Eventually I quit because lifestyle changes meant I couldn’t rely on my guildies to be about when I was - outwith raiding - and I couldn’t deal with having to argue with every random that thought they knew better about content they hadn’t done because they read a blog post once. Tried it again several years later (Legion era), and it was so much worse. I would list mythic runs with no achievement requirements and realistic min gearscores and get bombarded with eager requests, most newbies, and those runs went well to be honest (had to do some teaching, but they were faster than the “max efficiency” runs I joined with bloated requirements that spent more time trying to wall hack past a group than it would take to kill it)… but I’d also get random abuse from people listing the same run but requiring everyone to be +10 ready for a +5 and thought I was ‘stealing’ people from them (ignoring that those players didn’t meet their “carry me” requirements) or somehow just offending them by daring to imply the bar could be set lower because it outed their standards as stupid, and it was just so exhausting. Some would relog alts to continue to harangue me after I blocked them, they were so upset that someone would dare make their own ‘newbie friendly’ party and not fail. I wound up logging off stressed and angry each time and just gave up again.
So I guess long term, yeah, elitism drove me away from a game I was actually pretty great at, and definitely better than the majority if the self-proclaimed elitists. And I know a fair few others left for exactly the same reason. Because it isn’t about being good or bad, it’s about robotic compliance that neutralises the need for skill, and those that buy into this can’t deal with the cognitive dissonance that following the steps someone who might be good says is good doesn’t make you actually good.
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