exactly, I know, its a tiger themed hatchet, tigers attack from behind etc, I know. thats what I was getting at, its balanced because of the trade offs I said.
Wonderful discussion here so far, hoping to see this addressed soon.
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literally no reason to change/nerf existing bis pieces to mediocre. u dont have to be a hatchet main to be upset over this change because its worrisome to think that this can happen to ANY pve drop weapon you use
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Yeah unfortunately itâs a much bigger issue than just nerfing a single item. In a gear heavy game, if your gear wonât be safe from direct nerfs then thatâs the point?
Now new perks and all of that will continue to come along and make BIS gear no longer BIS, but thatâs expected by the playerbase and indirect. Itâs more concerning if you spend a ton of hours getting an item and suddenly it gets hit with refreshing evasion or some other bad replacement perk.
Really hope this gets reverted before PTR goes live.
Double checked nwdb for the most recent update. It still has refreshing evasion.
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This is just true-to-form AGS kneejerk behavior.
Tigerâs Instinct was obviously a huuuuge contributor to the SnS/Hatchet build, which happened to be bowâs main counter.
The last updates to bow that made it much easier to use, also made it extremely popular, so naturally the counter to the main meta is going to ruffle some feathers.
Not only is bow getting a net buff this next patch after the devs explicitly said it was already overtuned in the last dev video, but they also nerfed the ability to LS->SB combo in the upcoming patch, heavily crippling the SnS/Hatchet build, which again, was only useful against tunnel vision squishies.
None of the other double DamageCon weapons got nerfed, only Tigerâs Instinct.
Same shit happened in Alpha when the MMO kids couldnât figure out how to beat hatchet spam back when melee stagger was in the game.
They just refuse to let this game develop a thriving PvP scene at every opportunity.
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Farmed the hatchet but never used it, but can relate to the massive Hatcher nerf. They did the same thing to Absolute Terror VG many months ago. People spent forever farming it, 200k+ to purchase one and then they add refreshing âpepelaughâ. Typical AGS.
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See thatâs the thingâŚ
Tigerâs Instinct drops in âPvEâ content which can also be used in PvP but, less effectively. Donât get me wrong, itâs a good hatchet, with good perks, but did it really warrant a nerf? No. Itâs a rare Hatchet that MANY players want to either use or collect but you need to farm it from the Tiger boss in Imperial Palace. Guarantee drop? No. LuckâŚsure, weâll go with that.
Whereâs this data the Combat and Balance Team is pulling to where they decide to knee jerk nerfing it to âRefreshing Evasionâ. How come none of us can see the data or even get a response âwhyâ itâs getting a nerf. Seems like a trend here, just band aid Refreshing Evasion, problem solved! This is not how to balance weapons if youâre just going to slap on Refreshing Evasion for every wep nerf. There are PLENTY of perks to add other than RE, but why does that seem like the âsolutionâ. In short, itâs not. Blackguardâs weps sound familiar? YeaâŚ
Keep PvE named weapons untouchedâŚsimple. They are rare to loot for a reason and having them with âspecialâ names/perks makes it unique. Changing the perks of that throws that out the window. You may as well just name everything as they are, hatchet, War Hammer, Great Axe. Forget having anymore named items in New World because they donât deserve uniqueness I guess.
Make MORE PvP weapons drop for PvP with more âPvP Onlyâ perks. Should also have a PvP Skill Crafting Table also to where players can craft PvP only gear/weapons in addition to the PvP track rewards and include a PvP section in the Trading Post. Keep touching the named PvE weapons, they will lose their luster like everything else and no one desires to âgrindâ for uniqueness in New World. Absolutely appalling when we have something nice that players have grinded weeks/months for only to be yoinked for one of the worst perks on a weapon. I just donât get itâŚ
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What I would really like to see is the following format for communication as to why a change is occurring. Transparency and communication is key to get the player base on board with a proposed fix.
Under no circumstances should there be any stealth nerfs.
- State the problem in clear terms
- Explain why it is a problem
- State what the fix will be
- Explain why this will lead to better gameplay/balance.
- Allow feedback from the players and take that feedback into consideration prior to pushing a change to Live.
Nooo, seems that the nerf went live! We hath failed
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i feel REALLY bad for the 10 people i know that farmed that bastard tiger for days before finally getting one.
I am one of these unlucky bastards. I spent weeks back in March farming it. Sucks, but we should probably just get used to things changing and not get to attached or waste too much time farming. I mean, look at Weaponsmith pants nowâŚI wasted more than 40 hrs getting them and now, they are handed out when you step on the beach (exaggerating-but not really).
i got it on the 2nd day. i lied to my buds to spare them.
i dont even use the damn thing but man this is some BS.
Looks like AGS doesnât care about the player baseâŚ
I upgraded it to 625gs before the patch, imagine that feelingâŚ
As did I, but I wouldnât go so overboard to make claims that AGS doesnât care about its playersâŚthatâs a bit extreme, but perfectly in-line with the standard forum response.
Did the same with my Blackguardâs goodiesâŚjust move to something else and learn your lesson. If you are still farming for hours to get the âperfectâ thingâŚjust know it might change.
They still changed it with Refreshing Evasion which is what most of the outrage is for. Everyone can accept a nerf to the weapon where itâs still relevant but they made it a 2 perk weapon. Itâs non on anyoneâs radar now.
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Tiger instinct was OP and needed some kind of nerf because probably 98% of hatchet player were using it. Welcome to diversity ! Edit ; Having all hatchet player use the SAME weapon isnât sane for a game. There is still good hatchets out here and even Tiger instinct still a top pick. Remember what happened to blackguard magic weapon and bow ? Welcome to the club boys
just wait till they nerf something like the infamy or jav or blackguards hammer or firevine or the new old firestaff with empowered fireball and just watch the tears.
nothing is sacred
ags really doesnt care (they do but they weighed it between fixing things, creating new weapons that could compete to create more compelling options or just nerfing things into dirt and they decided your time investment was not worth it)
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Can you bring up that players that invested in the weapon to 625gs want an Umbral refund?
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