There is absolutely zero advertisement by Amazon saying New World is for “skilled pvpers”!
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Bahaha go back to the old dev videos homie 100% there is. I’m not gonna do the research for you its on their Youtube page one of the earlier videos.
Coexist and complement… right there!!!
Joke aside… that sucks big time!!!
Separated channels gets an upvote from me!
ps: Please note that as pve player I sometimes stop to watch people duel/fight… but I do not follow them
thats how it was originally but they already stated they are ready to move on from that.
the only place that might have some saucy pvp is probably the crack in shattered because of the ori,
a low effort fix might be to add a few more zones like that.
sure some people will go in there unflagged but thats how it always is
but this still doesnt fix anything about open world pvp.
you cant force people to just fight because you want to fight. thats what arenas are for.
open world pvp should be about objectives.
right now it means chest runs, an objective that isnt scarce so people will just work together and leave each other alone mostly.
and those cannot be 1 per person or this game will die.
a new objective needs to be added, one that is actually worth something.
its the only way to get random people fighting each other for stuff
stuff that isnt infinite for everyone.
Doing that is still doing the same thing over and over. Its not really any different. You go to war or the same old OPR. PVE players go to dungeons. People like me do all of it.
Are PVP players not begging for more PVP content? How is that any different?
Then they will probably just create another failed MMO. People are sick and tired of wow clones. They want a challenging MMO, not a brain-dead MMO. I know a very large mass of pvpers who started this game due to that promise they made.
There was a full loot pvp only mmo released not long ago. Nobody plays it. MO2.
it is what it is now.
its clear the vision and direction the devs had have been completely shooked.
but just because they are doing more pve stuff right now doesnt mean pvp is dead they just need to work on it properly.
the draw of this game wasnt just the fact that its pvp.
its the action combat souls like meaningful combat system.
and that absolutly needs major tuning. superchain ccing and insta gibbing people does not make for a fun action game.
and it effects both pvp and pve. and the pve dungeons arent even that much better.
the mobs are basic as all hell.
thats the focus that the devs should have right now since they completed the first story.
low effort updates to change things up a little with mutations. while they really hammer out how they want the combat of this game to be. then a better incentive to go out flagged.
full loot is the most niche of niche type game.
it doesnt work without wipes
it doesnt work with most players
it certainly doesnt work with mmos fully.
it was a cute idea but im glad its dead.
Ditto. Completely niche. That was my point.
oddly enough i do love full loot.
rust and tarkov (not exactly full loot) are two of my favorite games.
and i still think a semi full loot tarkov mode CAN work in an mmo just not a true mmo mode, 5v5v5 with random people could be intresting.
I agree with OP, pvp flagging rewards needs to be changed, needs to be drastically reduced to the ground, if you don’t recall, let me remind you, on the very start the so proud pvp players stated: “We are our own content”. So where’s the content? So you think rewards will make people be willingly your punching bag? People that wanted a server pvp only tried to use transfer tokens for a single server and got blocked by devs of doing so. Your solution, should be as many already stated, more meaningful reasons for pvp for those who want, not force, not trick nor bribe others that don’t like your game style. Every person has their own way to play, so keep yours and find people that like your style, leave those who doesn’t alone.
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You don’t need full loot to make good pvp in a game for skilled players. Again Daoc has no full loot or any of that and is still known to this day for its pvp and rvr.
The only thing I don’t like about Tarkov is it takes like 5 minutes or so to load in a map and it’s over pretty quick. There is one similar that just had closed beta. Forgot the name sorry but I like it better because the maps you can enter and leave anytime and they last like 6 hours.
“brain-dead MMO” is one with pvp. Instead of adding compelling content they try to lure the masses that have no interest in pvp into flagging to make them content for the extremely loud minority. Carrots like gathering and loot luck bonuses are dangled.
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nothing like loading for 5 minutes only to get head eyed 3 seconds later.
but damnit i enjoyed hitting my head against a rock some times.
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How? do explain as I am curious what you would consider brain-dead regarding PvP.
I did explain it. Instead of adding more compelling pve content they take the lazy way and let you be the content. A minority of mmo players are into pvp. This fact needs to be realized. Sure they can make you this glorious pvp server. The few hundred people that go there will get bored shortly after and quit or come back to a real server. The grand pvp wizards in New World don’t want good pvp…they want easy targets and kills. It’s all about them getting off on harassing those not interested in pvp and only flag for the bullshit bonus. This is why they advocate for keeping this idiotic gathering/loot luck flagging bonus.
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Minority? lol how did you come out with that conclusion? it’s a fact? Aside from that it doesn’t explain the brain-dead part I was asking about. PvP is generally more competitive and requires more skill than the majority of PvE content/mechanics here on NW or any other game that has both PvP and PvE… I don’t know who you’re listening to, thinking they are the “Grand pvp wizards” but clearly you’re out of touch. stop listening to trolls…
The average PvP player shouldn’t incentivize for anything ez mode regarding PvP, that’s not us- nor do we condone it. we want the challenge, no cheese please…
no, honestly that’s the plebs/casuals that want these ez mode changes/solutions…
Personally, if you ever played DAoC, you’d know that the majority of PvP players aren’t what you’re speaking up on. That’s just your average normal player that wants everything spoon-fed vs the competition or effort put in to be competitive.
As for a PvP server, meh, I just want a zone dedicated to PvP, perhaps instanced, but no cap on population as to how many people can be there. a real war zone: Like DAoC’s Frontier zones. Realm Ranks, Relics, PvEvP dungeon. it’s exciting to me (yes, this is subjective 
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Except that’s the type of PvPers that came to New World.
AGS couldn’t handle all the cheating and exploiting so it basically went unchecked without bans.
Most of the legit want-a-challenge PvPers quit shortly after launch.
The remaining population were increasingly those who quickly adopted any cheese and exploits such as deliberately triggering lag with Ice Gauntlet, and shaking the window for invincibility. After that came macros to exploit mechanics and we got magic staff machinegunning. It was literally a new cheat or exploit every week and they all came to the forums calling it “skill”.
That’s the “skilled PvP” in New World – skill at using cheats, finding exploits, and programming macros.
And as soon as Outpost Rush went live, there were cheaters in so many matches that it started to kill the game mode right away. Shortly after, people couldn’t get the mode to pop for hours. And why should they bother to play with cheaters and exploiters?
Whatever the initial proportion of legit PvPers, they quickly became a minority and damn near extinct after the first couple of months.
Now all you see on the forums are PvPers begging for action and wanting to force players to PvP with them. The game mode is basically dead and it’s the players who want to PvP who keep killing every attempt to revive it.
When Arenas come out, probably two things will make it DOA – no proper league system resulting in constant bad matchups; and cheaters and exploiters.
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I don’t foresee the arenas being a big deal either considering most New World (and mmo players in general) don’t care about mmo pvp. Real pvpers play game with combat systems and modes that actually work well for it. There’s no way to balance gear in an mmo for pvp. Pvp ruins mmo’s because of this constant search for unachievable balance in pvp while evacuating the same gear for pve.
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