Do you want a zone to pvp in, or a zone with increased gathering rates or whatever just to harvest? If the goal is a zone to pvp in, I feel strongly that most players wont want to lose gear, and if it’s anything but a high population server, it won’t have enough players to sustain the pvp part when you add in gear loss/destruction/full loot (and even then, those mechanics might cause the population to crater). If the goal isn’t a zone to pvp in and instead farm mats in, then it shouldn’t be sold as a big pvp gift.
Maybe I’m wrong, and it turns out to be some smash success. I think that’s highly unlikely, but either way, devs have much bigger fish to fry for at least the next few months, and if/when they do finally release a forced pvp zone, I wouldn’t want to handicap the chances of that being a success with full loot/gear loss mechanics that will drive players away.
drive players away? then dont go to the zone?.. i mean its the same reason why not every one goes into the wilderness on games like runescape or the “red” zones on albion online. yet people can still continue the way they are playing, however it gives you both an incentive to farm mats quicker, gives more incentive to pvp, as people will be looking for both other pvpers and harvesters, and also gives another avenue of endless end game content.
There’s plenty of logic, and I’ve given examples. You just can’t seem to face the reality that your pipedream push for full loot would have huge drawbacks and might result in a massive failure.
I’ve said multiple times I might be wrong and things don’t play out how I suspect they will, but that’s the point of feedback, we don’t have years of statistical data in new world to argue with, all we have are our assumptions dude lol, so it’s hilarious that you point to that as if it’s some insightful flaw with the posts you disagree with. This isn’t the first time full loot has been discussed, check the tons of other threads and the overwhelming negative impressions of full loot from the playerbase participating in that feedback.
But yeah, nothing backed up by logic, you’re right, we’re all wrong. GG.
Can we use something like Albion as a variable here. Log into Albion right now, tell me, on both hand (or even one) how many players are in Black/Red Zones. I’ll wait.
albion online? currently has an average of 6.5-8k players which it has maintained for 2 years the last month it dropped by 1k, probably due to new world coming out. as for the red/black zones, i dont like the game personally due to the top down, mobile concept of the game.
on the other hand, did you ever play runescape in the 2005 - 2007 era?
You have mostly brought up arguments related to that things will not work because you think they need to be implemented in a certain way, when in fact they dont, and I have given you examples of solutions to that. Other than that you have assumed that people will not like it with statements such as “I feel strongly that most players wont want to lose gear” which to be honest you know nothing about. Obviously that is not going to be for everyone, but there might still be plenty of people who will enjoy it. I have also given reasons to why it would be a good thing for other aspects of the game outside of the fact that it incentives open world pvp that you just ignore. Mainly the fact that it will give sub optimal gear a value and make crafting and farming loot from other sources more relevant. If you do not have a lifecycle to the gear then these aspects of the game will die out once most people have best in slot gear. That is a huge problem.
I can not either say for certain that it will be a success, but that is up to the developers to decide and figure out if they wish to consider the ideas or not. We are here one the forums to provide feedback and give suggestions for things we want to see in this game and how they can be solved, you are here to tear them apart.
I have seen the topic been discussed before, yes, and there was a lot of possitive responses to that during the beta.
Eve online does full loot drop the best imo. I played eve for like, 12 years and did loads of. Solo pvp. First off, you shouldn’t be rolling around low or nullsec In a 10 bil ship. What is that an officer fit marauder lol? Well fit t3 cruisers are about 1b, which I solod in all the time. Second you can choose whether or not to risk in eve, and it takes 2 minutes to Rebuy everything and go out again. You can choose to lose a 50 mil, 100 mil, 300 mil, 500 mil, 1, 2b ship whenever you want. Making the money back isnt hard either. So I wouldn’t bash eve for this cause it’s still one of the best full loot drop mmos. If you were low skill points just specd into one ship as a highsec mission carebear (no offense) you shouldn’t be pvping anyways.
yeah, the advantage of equipment drop though is it will make green and blue gear actually worth something and perhaps even crafted gear, as obviously crafted gear is easier to obtain than a legendary drop
they have a zone like this in the elderscrollsonline and it is a bloody ghost town only over geared players ganking ppl all the time and no one go’s there anymore. they would have to make the reward for going there better than the risk of being farmed by a group of say 5 players all night and some how do it without breaking the economy… so gl with that
gear is alot less reliant on this game as it is more skill based, its not a tab targeting system like elderscrolls online, yes gear still has its bonuses, but mid geared players co ordinated right in a open world / area situation can still get the upper hand, considering with the current mechanics it would make for an interesting expierence, with hiding in bushes etc. and also for a rewarding area, both pve and pvp, mobs should be limited as at the moment with open world pvp too often to get you get staggered by a wolf etc
ok first elderscrollsonline is not tab target it has the exact same combat system as this game almost to the T… chough copypaste xD anyway gear always makes a difference and also number no matter how good some one is 1v5 is never going to work and there will always be ppl who enjoy seal clubing 1 player to death because they find it fun and now it makes them money… you have to make it some how fun and even for anyone not just roaming groups to play in or no one will go unless they have to Why IC is a dead Zone — Elder Scrolls Online
that’s one of just hundreds of posts on the eso forum becasue the pvp free roam formula just doesn’t work well in practice when you run in to a group of around 5 ppl that want to kill you not for your stuff but just because they enjoy your misery then ppl stop going there and it becomes a deadzone
'>.< it’s the same idea Borges because no one wants to spend 2 hrs farming just to lose it all in 30 seconds it just doesn’t work no one will go unless the reward is high enough but once they get what they wanted from there they never come back seen it befor
ok but it’s doesn’t “target” you still have to aim with your mouse just like this game it just highlights the enemy so you can bypass the others to attack 1 target not really that different at all watch a wow pvp video that is tab targeting. and my point was if you give ppl the choice to lose there stuff in 30 seconds or just not go no one will go >.< and it will be a dead zone
i beg to differ that it will be a dead zone, have you read the amount of shit talking that goes on between factions?, itll be a massively contested area for control.
