Setting a different tone

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Well, yes you can appreciate a flawed product or parts of it you find good. Who am I to judge. I’m not a perfectionist either and sometimes, flaws can be the beauty. I agree.

The game’s combat system is not well-thought. Not even close. For example there is no diminishing return for CC which makes GvG terrible. A well thought out system would have included at least some form of CC reduction after a certain point, if not immunity. So I do not agree with you here. Abilities still fail to register time to time. A 30 level lower level mob can stagger a player.

Visuals are good, sounds are OK; some good some bad. Let’s say personal taste and call it good for it appeals to most people.

But damn the lack of quality… Perks not working, lack of Quality of Life features. Every time I enter an Outpost Rush I have to re-arrange my consumables… And I have to do it during the match.

Cannot even search for my main attribute in trade station. Not even asking for an upper price limit as a search option or anything advanced.

You kill mobs, loot chests. Then have to salvage every single useless item in your inventory 1 by 1. I wanna slap the developers with a tuna and scream “let me at least select them and salvage them together”.

I cannot arrange my inventory while running. I cannot tell you how much I hate not being able to do it.

Until a week ago I could not even make high GS weapons cause they forgot to add arcana materials to the game. Imagine experiencing this after putting the effort required to 200 arcana, making plans for it. Let me assure you. It wasn’t good :slight_smile:

For me, personal opinion here, for a product to be called “quality” it needs to surpass a certain threshold. I don’t think this game surpasses that threshold.

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Hm, a tax evader eh? :wink:

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Its like a small developer studio suddenly had to take responibility making an AAA game.

Who could have thought it would go wrong :thinking:

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Spending it all on beer :+1:

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I’m all about being supportive and giving the dev team the benefit of a doubt, including having defended against the excessive malice on here…

But, my god, that last update really just wrecked things so badly. Changes to the PvP and crafting systems are completely overshadowed by changes that made zergs nearly a requirement in endgame areas, completely decimated solo play in nearly all high level regions (and even duo play,) introduced even some of the worse lag I’ve seen in this game since it released AND over-nerfed magic weapons, gave dex weapons next to nothing and buffed the only weapons that are way overtuned right now (mostly on abilities not used much - but what difference does it make - there’s no reason to switch off the tried-and-true skills that already dominate all content.)

That some of those most impactful changes were done without saying a word initially just made it sting much worse. The worst part about all that though is that we don’t even know when/if they are going to properly remedy it in any timely manner. This patch should have been rolled back immediately and put back in development and on the PTR - and we have no idea when to expect anything.

All while many players basically can’t progress in the game, especially those on servers already hurting for people. I just honestly would have expected at least a little more urgency in their response than what I am seeing.

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What is AGS paying you in to write this nonsense? Seriously, I could use a few extra bucks, maybe coin.

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I see the whole thing from a slightly different perspective. If the game were really that bad and everything sucked, there wouldn’t be so many posts in the forum. Players would just stop playing because they wouldn’t care if the game was really bad.

People love the game and are afraid that AGS will ruin it. If you want to compare it, people are trying to protect “their child”.

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Most of the issues you mention, even when they are true and aggravating, they are but small details compared to the big picture.

  • Implementing diminishing returns to CC, or plainly CC immunity after being CC’d, is something that can be done in a patch. It doesn’t involve a whole redesign of anything.
    I don’t mind the staggering mechanism. Not even from lower level mobs.
  • Quality of Life features are important. But most games launch without most of them. QoL is what you expect to come as a game matures. Still, it’s not a fundamental design flaw or anything. It’s just UI refining that is needed
  • The trade UI is lacking a lot of features. There is no argument there. Again, though, it’s nothing that can’t be easily fixed during a patch. It’s just UI work.
  • Salvaging massive amount of loot isn’t such a problem. I just hold S and click on the first item in the bunch, then they all “go thru the grinder” into repair parts. A “Salvage all” could be handy, but I would expect a lot of “mistakes”. Players who forgot to lock their legendary gear befor clicking that Doomsday button.
  • About the inventory while running, I used to think the same as you. But then I realized that if we could rearrange the inventory while running, it would allow people with macro hardware, to switch weapons and armor during combat, to benefit from multiple perks and passives.
  • Missing recipes and ingredients is, again, unfortunate, but nothing flawed deep inside the core of the game. Just an oversight fixable in a patch.

Indeed, a product full with imperfections can’t be said to have big quality.
But I see NW more like a quality product currently covered in mud and grime. It just needs some polish to make it shine…

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you realize this game is as far from the original vision as it could possibly be ?

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I enjoyed many aspects of this game such as design, detail, core concept feature.

but in the same time I’m also boring for how this unfinished game has done such as they put a new patch and then others thing which never bugged it’s become bugs. Patch after patch and still the same.

I know everyone doesn’t want it to happen even me as a players or AGS but it is what it is. I don’t know what happens on AGS internally but the new patch just like kick in the hardcore player ass. I know they’re doing their best but It’s less enjoyable game as well.

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The original version was what we got on release. So if you a referring to some 2 year old alpha version that was destroyed by PKers, you are living very far in the past when it comes to games.

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One of the problems we observed with this system was that some high level players were killing low level players, A LOT. Sometimes exclusively. This often led to solo or group griefing scenarios that created a toxic environment for many players. To be clear, this behavior was not shown by all PvP players, but enough to cause significant issues.

To be specific, by PvP we mean, fair fights that are organized, skill based, and opted into by all participants. Not PKing (Player Killing), which is a predatory behavior that relies on exploiting another player’s lack of experience, progress, readiness, or willingness. So for those folks who desire that harsh PVP environment, New World may not be your favorite game

Hey it’s the devs words not mine

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Tbh. for me, right now, the biggest downturner for the game is its community. The whole constant negativity about every aspect of the game is just starting to wear me down. It’s not only the forums which I could just ignore, if it wasn’t for the developer updates and general news that usually bring me here but also the ingame chat is just full of negativity by now.

I understand peoples frustration with the bugs and bad descisions that were made up to this point. Heck, I’m frustrated as well as I see a game with a very promising foundation that just isn’t brought to the point were it really shines but aside from providing (constructive) feedback, there is nothing we can change about it right now.

I’m closing in on 400 hours playtime and for the money I paid, I could just uninstall the game right now and would have had many more enjoyable hours in New World than in quite a number of other games that cost more.

If you feel like you can’t enjoy the game right now because it feels buggy and unbalanced, why in the world you don’t put it aside. You are not paying a monthly fee, you are not missing out on content. Why not just wait? Either AGS manages to get their stuff together or they don’t. If they do you’ll get additional content for several more years to come. If not, you had a good sandbox game that offered you a reasonable number of hours of entertainment.

If you are expecting that things will change from one week to another, you just won’t get happy with the game. Right now we have seen everything the game has to offer until the next big update hits (and imho, the void was not a big update, just a fill-in). So I don’t expect much change until some time maybe in February. That’s quite some time in which, aside from another fill-in christmas event, not much will change.

I, for one, still have to level some weapons, get my gear score up and level the trade skills. So at best I will play for 1-2 hours an evening and that will be it and I’m OK with that. If I get bored, I’ll play something else. That’s all there is to it. I did the same in Guild Wars 2. Played it again a year later and had a blast and a lot more fun for another few months and again and again and I’m expecting the same will happen with New World.

So if you are unhappy, leave your feedback, put the game aside, enjoy something else and come back later. Just stop shouting about how the game is shit, how you want to leave (while you actually don’t). You are doing the game and its community more harm than the state of the game does on its own. And if you want to play this game again at some point, don’t pull down everyones mood, especially of people who just started. You’ll just destroy the game in your own way otherwise.

Cheers

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I know right, but hey… there still here posting and playing :joy:

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This is a true statement. It is frustrating to experience downtime in the middle of what free time people have available. I can remember several games especially early on that drove me absolutely batty with the downtime, the old bugs, the new bugs, etc.

However, I’ve never seen an update of any kind that didn’t have problems with it. The exceptions I can think of are exceptions because of size and experience. Yet even for them sometimes things break.

(“Because of size”: being owned by a large corporation does not mean that they have an unlimited income to hire and pay staff.)

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It’s really sad that so many people came in here to insult this guy for liking the game. Not everyone is a hateful troll that wants to see the game shut down.

OP, I like the game too. Don’t let these guys tell you you’re not allowed to like it.

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Quality is not black or white; there is a middle ground.

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913,027 all-time peak, 99,550 playing now. Steam Charts This game is a failure of the likes of Anthem and Marvel Avengers. Now you want to call this a quality game because it’s pretty? Im down for a wipe, I won’t be back to play, I just wanna watch the tears fall.

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Personally I still have some hope. Yet I think one of the issues we have is expectations that are a bit higher than they naturally should be at the time.

The quote above is one of those that should be reexamined. I do think many if not a majority of the bugs will be dealt with as soon as it’s feasible. They have nothing to gain by failing. Yet I do think that all bugs being gone in a month is probably setting any group of devs up for missing the mark.

It wasn’t till a year or so after launch that I started playing WoW and they had a long train of issues that seemed never ending. Their forums were full of vitriol about the devs not caring, what was perceived to be broken, that fixes weren’t good at all, nothing was balanced neither PvE or PvP. Players had a list of grievances that seemed impossible to catch up on.

People made false equivalencies like comparing the release of a car to the release of a video game. Posters not only attacked devs but threatened them. They said they wanted those who disagreed with them to die of cancer. All that and possibly worse happened on the forums.

In spite of all that WoW improved eventually people grew to understand that patches led to issues. Those issues were resolved as quickly as possible. WoW over time learned how to minimize those issues.

I talk too much. I suppose I could summarize by saying everything has a learning process and AGS gains little by failing.

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Don’t worry about it my man, I’m big enough and old enough to ignore it! Have a good day bud :blush:

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